The story then goes on to interview people who were harassed by the IRS for underreporting income who were actually victims of the identity thieves the IRS won’t go after.
Confused. When two of my friends got hit with identity theft, they were notified it happened by the Treasury Department calling them. I can certainly imagine the IRS wanting them to pay taxes on the stolen funds they lost though. Bastards.
Looks like one of Indiana’s Senators already raised the question with the head of the IRS:
http://www.wthr.com/story/30441077/senator-outraged-by-irs-investigation-pledges-action
So thanks to some good reporting, changes in law might be forthcoming soon. Although as we know, laws aren’t really useful unless they are enforced, and authorities seem to have developed quite a bit of antipathy to enforcing laws that might negatively impact fakedocumented immigrants.
Is *that *what they’re going to use as a pretext for impeaching Koskinen?
I’m not sure that anyone in here has mentioned impeachment.
Are you suggesting that the whole thing is no big deal?
Google “Koskinen impeach” and read the results. Take a lunch, you’ll be there a while.
Starting with Washington Post: the Republican campaign to impeach the IRS commissioner: What comes next?
I’ve seen the stories. I think that many of those investigating Koskinen are idiots, and their efforts are clearly motivated by partisan politics.
That does not mean, however, that the IRS should not be fixing this issue. We have a situation where the people who work there see mismatches that indicate the possible or probable theft of social security numbers, and they refuse to do anything about it because as long as the income was earned under the social security number used on the form, they don’t consider it an IRS problem.
That, my friend, is some fucking bullshit right there.
I support the principle of taxation. I think it’s a fair price for living in a civilized society. Despite all the whining from Americans about the IRS, i think it’s a necessary and important department of the government. But if we’re going to have a system in which the government takes a portion of our income and uses it for public purposes, we have the right to ask, at the very least, that they take some basic steps to protect the very citizens that the institution is supposed to be serving.
As these employees in the article make clear, if they see that John in Dubuque is earning income under SSN 123-45-6789, and that Pete in Chicago is also earning income under SSN 123-45-6789, but Pete is filing his taxes under ITIN 98-67-5432, it is pretty clear to them that Pete might be using a stolen SSN. And yet they are explicitly told to simply pay Pete’s tax return and not take any further steps to discover if there might be fraud going on.
Now, if it ended here, we could shrug our shoulders and say, “Hey, who cares what number Pete in Chicago is using? As long as he’s paying his taxes, it really doesn’t matter.”
The problem is that when that income hits the system under John’s SSN, the next step is for the IRS to send John a letter accusing him of under-reporting his income. They say to him, “Hey, John, we see that you failed to report the income you earned from your job in Chicago. Pay up, or you face interest charges and possible criminal penalties.” All of this despite the fact that John lives in Dubuque, has a full-time job in Dubuque, and did not travel to Chicago once this year.
And they send him this letter despite knowing that someone else has already paid income tax on that income under the same SSN, but a different ITIN. And now John is left in a situation where he has to spend months, involving police reports and affidavits and sometimes (according to the story) loss of things like health insurance, before maybe getting the problem fixed. All of this because the agency charged with collecting our taxes can’t be bothered to do the most basic due diligence on the information it receives from the very people whose taxes it is collecting.
And it’s not like this has just fallen through the cracks, and is only now being noticed. The IRS itself has admitted that its active policy is not to pursue these cases, because using someone else’s SSN to get a job does not fall under their definition of tax fraud.
I love how the actual issue has nothing to do with the title of the thread, and how the title of the thread completely undermines the very real problem here.
Yeah, it’s a dumb thread title, and it takes an important issue and uses it for little more than dishonest political point-scoring.
But look at who the OP is. Is anyone surprised?
Our friend adaher is like the proverbial blind squirrel who occasionally finds an acorn. Except he’s also a dumb squirrel who, when he does manage to find one, throws it over a cliff and then blames liberals for stealing his acorn.
Dude, you just ruined Ice Age.
Or made the Elections forum a lot funnier, I’m not sure which.
Clearly the answer is to cut even more IRS funding so that it has the resources to help taxpayers even more.
Just how long is the US Tax Code?
Sure, the IRS needs more rules and regulations.
Seems that they could put that online pretty easily. Since every income-earning American is expected to comply with it, why don’t they?
If you love your Uncle Sam, you’ll just have to put up with your Aunt Iris.
The funny thing is that my every brush with the IRS has reflected far more competence than my encounters with state tax agencies. Also, the IRS is beefing up its identity theft identification program. Thirdly, I point to a thread from earlier this year, sponsored by one of our finest posters, YT: Ethics: Should Turbo tax make millions by processing returns by fraudsters?
This is a case where conservatives scream and tear their garments over a speck provided by the Feds, while ignoring the plank in their gut delivered by the private sector. Markets can do no wrong!
I applaud all whistleblowers who aid in the fight against crime.

The funny thing is that my every brush with the IRS has reflected far more competence than my encounters with state tax agencies.
Yeah, i’ve made similar observations on this board in the past. My every direct communication with the people at the IRS has involved friendly and polite and professional service. Admittedly, such communications were sometimes necessary because the IRS had fucked something up in the first place, but in such a large organization there are always going to be mistakes, and i was impressed at the way they went about fixing the problems.
As i said above, i think the IRS is a necessary and important part of our national government. I still think, though, that they should fix this particular problem, especially since it seems like it would be relatively easy to deal with.

Yeah, i’ve made similar observations on this board in the past. My every direct communication with the people at the IRS has involved friendly and polite and professional service. Admittedly, such communications were sometimes necessary because the IRS had fucked something up in the first place, but in such a large organization there are always going to be mistakes, and i was impressed at the way they went about fixing the problems.
Same here. My one major interaction with the IRS was back in my early twenties- I’d inherited a bond, and cashed it without realizing I needed to pay taxes on it. The next year I got a letter from them, telling me I owed them a hundred bucks or so.
Well, I didn’t have the money, so I ignored it for a few weeks. Then, a week or two later, I got another letter from them- further investigation showed that I only owed them about fifty bucks because I’d actually overpaid on a previous return.
Then a month later, I got another letter from the IRS- I’d overpaid on yet another previous year, so now they owed me about ninety bucks, and they included a check for that amount.
Clearly a very criminal organization.

That does not mean, however, that the IRS should not be fixing this issue. We have a situation where the people who work there see mismatches that indicate the possible or probable theft of social security numbers, and they refuse to do anything about it because as long as the income was earned under the social security number used on the form, they don’t consider it an IRS problem.
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As these employees in the article make clear, if they see that John in Dubuque is earning income under SSN 123-45-6789, and that Pete in Chicago is also earning income under SSN 123-45-6789, but Pete is filing his taxes under ITIN 98-67-5432, it is pretty clear to them that Pete might be using a stolen SSN. And yet they are explicitly told to simply pay Pete’s tax return and not take any further steps to discover if there might be fraud going on.Now, if it ended here, we could shrug our shoulders and say, “Hey, who cares what number Pete in Chicago is using? As long as he’s paying his taxes, it really doesn’t matter.”
The problem is that when that income hits the system under John’s SSN, the next step is for the IRS to send John a letter accusing him of under-reporting his income. They say to him, “Hey, John, we see that you failed to report the income you earned from your job in Chicago. Pay up, or you face interest charges and possible criminal penalties.” All of this despite the fact that John lives in Dubuque, has a full-time job in Dubuque, and did not travel to Chicago once this year.
And they send him this letter despite knowing that someone else has already paid income tax on that income under the same SSN, but a different ITIN. And now John is left in a situation where he has to spend months, involving police reports and affidavits and sometimes (according to the story) loss of things like health insurance, before maybe getting the problem fixed. All of this because the agency charged with collecting our taxes can’t be bothered to do the most basic due diligence on the information it receives from the very people whose taxes it is collecting.
And it’s not like this has just fallen through the cracks, and is only now being noticed. The IRS itself has admitted that its active policy is not to pursue these cases, because using someone else’s SSN to get a job does not fall under their definition of tax fraud.
First, it’s not really a problem, since what you think happens doesnt occur very often. if the person with the fake SSN has income, they usually file, and the system show that. The computer/system doesnt try to get both individuals to pay taxes on the same income. Not to mention such income usually comes with withholding, which means the taxes are paid. It’s not “Identity Theft”.
However the IRS could solve the “problem” if Congress authorized them to do so and gave them to budget to do so. but Congress has hobbled the IRS with extreme and crazy Privacy and “Taxpayer Rights” law, not to mention cutting the budge to the bone, since the IRS mostly audits Rich dudes.
But there is a side effect- mostly, Illegals do file and pay Income taxes. Once the IRS started to do that- they’d stop, which would mean the loss of billions of dollars.
The whole article is just another Right Wing-nut attack on undocumented aliens. It’s bogus and full of shit.

First, it’s not really a problem, since what you think happens doesnt occur very often. if the person with the fake SSN has income, they usually file, and the system show that. The computer/system doesnt try to get both individuals to pay taxes on the same income.
So are you alleging that the cases described in the article are made-up, or non-existent?
It might not happen often, and if it doesn’t then that is reassuring. But it should not happen at all, and yet, if the people interviewed for the article are to be believed, it does happen.