The real Kavanaugh effect…
This Democratic house was paid for in part by the party of rape. Thanks Justice Kavanaugh.
What independent verification from other sources do we have that she was almost raped by someone “one to two years older than me and student[s] at a private school?”
You are dodging my question.
This is one of the claims that Ford made in her letter to Feinstein…
Has this claim been corroborated or does it remain uncorroborated? We can talk about other claims latter. I am asking about this claim.
I don’t understand the use of “we” here. You hate Hillary Clinton very deeply. You spend time and aggro pursuing this idea, which is identical to Russian anti democratic propaganda, and the subsequent republican ethical and intellectual collapse. “We” would indicate you are just another democrat. Waht? You are not. You have bought facebook Hillary hate and now are playing as a democrat.
For reference this is the post in this thread that I am arguing against.
This is pretty obviously false.
My position is not that there is evidence corroborating attempted rape. It is that there is evidence corroborating several of her claims. I am focusing on a specific claim to make this point because it is literally the first thing that every news news organization and interested party sought to corroborate when Dr. Ford’s name became public.
There is a mountain of evidence corroborating this claim.
It’s like appearing against a very self-confident pro se litigant. Which of course means, wrong as fuck, but adamant.
For fuck’s sake, Dr Ford’s claims were not that Kavanaugh and Judge went to school around the same time as I did. That is not illegal. What her claim was, was that she was the victim of an attempted rape at a certain time and place by Kavanaugh with Judge present. None of that had any corroborating evidence.
Back when I debated in school, we had one particular debate where the topic was This House would abolish the UN and our opponents insisted that it should be defeated since This House “could not abolish the UN”:rolleyes: They thought they were right clever. Reminds me of this. At least those chicks were hot.
Back when Ken Starr was running wild, Kavanaugh was a minion, yes? What opinion did he offer when Kenny first suggested threatening Ms Lewinski’s Mom? Did he forcefully object? If he did, good for him, glad to hear, a pity no one listened. But I doubt it.
His career and his reputation are built on being a loyal apparatchik. TG, IANAL, but I see little to make me believe he is widely admired as a legal scholar of the first water. And, as his adolescent spat with Ms Klobuchar demonstrates, he is no gentleman. Never mind who he was, I see who he is.
He is foisted upon us because of his ideological loyalty. He has not the temperment of a high judge nor the brilliance of a scholar. I say its spinach, and I say to Hell with it.
She absolutely did claim that. I quoted her claiming it numerous times.
Furthermore, this claim has been corroborated. This is important because if this claim was unable to be corroborated we would have never heard of Dr. Ford.
The fact that several of her claims have been corroborated is the only reason we know who Dr. Ford is. If there was, “zero corroboration evidence for any other of her claims,” her letter would have been immediately shitcanned.
There is no corroboration of any of the details of her alleged attempted rapist(s), not their age, not their names, nothing. What we do have, though, is strong evidence that it wasn’t Kavanaugh and/or Judge. Hopefully, should she report it to the police, there will be a full investigation into who did do it, and perhaps that will show how she mistook the attacker(s) for people she was never at a party with.
To bring it back to your original claim, there is absolutely zero corroborating evidence that the attackers were one to two years older than her, as there is zero evidence of anything at all about them beyond Ford’s statement.
As to whether this affected the vote, one would expect so, as the Democrats kept supporting a demonstrably false claim against Kavanaugh, and that’s a good reason to vote against them. At this precise time, there’s more good reasons to vote for them, but not everyone agrees with that, and believing false accusations won’t be a winning strategy going forward. But hey, keep investigating Kavanaugh - it was so successful and popular when the Republicans did it to Hilary Clinton, despite her having done a lot more wrong…
Bonkers
Cite?
An actual investigation might have turned that up, don’tcha think?
When and how was that demonstrated?
Are you arguing just that it’s impossible to prove what happened 35 years ago, or are you also saying that the act itself matters less because of the time gap?
Personally, I think that attempted rape should disqualify someone from being on the Supreme Court no matter how long ago it happened. I wouldn’t want someone on the Court if I even thought there was a 50-50 chance they once tried to rape someone. The idea that we need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to disqualify someone in a job interview is ludicrous. I wouldn’t hire a babysitter if I thought “Well, 50% chance they’re a pedophile, but I don’t have iron clad proof.”
And while it may be impossible to prove what happened beyond a reasonable doubt after 35 years, it certainly isn’t impossible to weigh the evidence and say “the allegation is credible enough that we ought to find someone else to be the next Supreme Court Justice.”
AIUI, there were three reasons Republicans couldn’t or wouldn’t switch Kavanaugh out for another nominee.
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Kavanaugh had a very proven track record of voting in Republican interests - the GOP has always been afraid of another Souter, and
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Republicans felt that withdrawing Kavanaugh because of the sexual-assault allegations would set a precedent, kind of like giving in to hostage-taker demands. They feared that it would invite future such accusations in a similar situation down the road.
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It would show “weakness”, and Republicans abhor that.
You said that they should have handled it before the confirmation because it might derail the confirmation. That is clearly the actual objective of pushing the Ford allegations.
And I am accusing the ultra progressives of driving the Democratic party off the edge of a cliff. We have an opportunity to enlarge the tent and bring in more moderates who are repulsed by Trump and you think we should take the opportunity to push for more extreme stuff because the left leaning moderates now have to choose between stupid progressive stuff or evil conservative stuff.
Usually with misconduct while the judge is sitting on the bench. Frequently for drunkenness on the bench so there is still hope of an impeachment, I guess.
Why not just impeach him for a blue dress? It’ll work wonders considering the white house and senate are still Republican
From your cite:
“we find a record-breaking 23-point difference, which is the highest it’s been since at least 1992. Granted, that might not seem like a huge jump from 2016, when the gender gap was 22 points, but part of the reason the gap isn’t larger this year is that more men moved to the left in 2018.”
The gender gap was about the same as it was last year. Everyone moved to the left.
I voted for Hillary Clinton. Twice. Once in the primary and once in the general. I am not a fan but I voted for her nonetheless.
I think you are conflating Democrat for “Loves Hillary and agrees with me on everything” I’ve voted for Democrats since 2000. I haven’t voted for a Republican at any level of government since the invasion of Iraq.
That’s not corroboration.
That’s not even corroboration that the sexual assault occurred never mind that Kavanaugh was the assaulter.
She might as well have said the attempted rapist was white and it would be as meaningful. It would provide ZERO probative value. None of her claims were corroborated.