Wow.
Read the last 20 or 30 messages in this thread.
Evidence is irrelevant to the definition of harm. This is about whether someone can claim harm from invasion of gender privacy alone.
I could say that you are no harmed if I hang out in your bathroom in your home, but I bet you’d say you were harmed. Or maybe not - but you’d still want me to leave even if I said you weren’t harmed so I should be able to stay.
No. I can assert that a majority of women in the U.S. prefer to use a women’s room without men in it. It is fucking absurd to demand proof of that. It’s like demanding proof that most people don’t like really loud noises or the smell of garbage. It’s a simple observation of our culture.
Do you really believe that if we suddenly converted all public restrooms to unisex (without other changes such as additional privacy inside them) nobody in this country would care?
Stop the nonsense.
By the way, every woman on this thread has backed up my point by saying they would ask a man why he was in the women’s room. If they didn’t care that he was there, they’d leave him alone to do his business, wouldn’t they?
P.S. To be precise, many are playing a stupid game where they don’t deny it but say they need to see a poll or whatever to prove it.
You can assert all you want, but you have yet to back it up, loud bluster and righteous indignation aside. It’s your claim-you back it up, bucky.
As far as every woman responding backing up your point, that is utter nonsense. I seem to recall posts telling you you are blowing it out of proportion, and posts saying women can speak for themselves, but where are the posts saying essentially “You sure got that right.” Every woman in this thread has backed up your point?
Bullshit.
Why don’t you quit hiding behind the supposed opinions of millions of women you can’t seem to find cites for, and just state your own opinions from here on in? Even though you would have to actually take personal responsibility for the crap you post, wouldn’t that be so much easier in the long run?
I went back more than 30 posts, and I didn’t see any such assertions.
This:
is not someone backing up your point. This is someone telling you that you are blowing it out of proportion and overreactiing.
Wait, they’re backing up your point by demanding proof of your claims, because they are afraid to agree with you outright?
It’s perfectly possible to be entirely okay with a person being in a room, and still notice that their presence is unusual. In my case, I would wonder if he needed assistance, or if he entered the wrong room by mistake, which might cause him some embarrassment - because the norm is for him not to be in this room, not because I object to him being in this room.
If I saw a child alone in a bar, I would probably ask them if they were okay or needed help, because children are not usually alone in a bar. And if the kid said, “I’m fine, my mom’s in the office picking up her paycheck and then we’re going for ice cream,” I’d say, “Oh, okay, have a good day!” and go on about my business. I don’t care if a child is in a bar, but I would notice the situation as outside the norm and wonder if it indicated some problem for the child.
If men were routinely in the same bathroom I use, it would no longer be unusual, and I wouldn’t wonder or ask why they were there. I’d assume they were there to use the facilities.
Hellooooo! Is this thing on? I said I wouldn’t ask a man why he was in the ladies’ room and would assume he had some noncreepy reason for being there.
I knew it. I’m in Coventry, aren’t I… 
I don’t want violent or creepy people in the bathroom. People. I don’t care what gender or sexual orientation they have.
Yeah, I’d probably look twice at a man in the women’s bathroom, and maybe even ask if they needed something, but a transwoman isn’t a man, so that issue is moot.
Ivory, Ivory, Ivory…we’re not supposed to be talking about transwomen. lance says, and it’s his thread (that he didn’t start) with his name on it and everything.
Woah! Watch out!!! Step to the left, I think that goalpost is about to move again…
Sorry, but since you have not produced the notarized copy of the results of your genital evaluation Lance cannot count you as being a female type person for the purpose of restroom opinions.
Oh, darn. It must be my female brain (which apparently isn’t qualified to allow me to speak for myself) acting up again.
Silly me.
Nah, or if you are, it’s only on the side of lance. He’s ignoring every single woman in the thread.
Hey, would “gets ignored by sexist assholes” count as proof of femaleness? Much quicker than those pesky psychiatric evaluations!
Why do I need to know if they are transgender? I don’t care! If more people would just mind their own business this world would be a much nicer place, IMO.
Sexual assault and child molestation are already illegal; if someone is caught doing this, be they male, female or in transition, they go to jail. What that all has to do with the right to have a place to pee I just don’t see.
Why would they listen to us, after all? They already know what we think and how we act better than we do. :rolleyes:
I’m old enough that customary social norms might have their effects on me, but that doesn’t mean that I won’t question them and try to change my automatic reactions if I think they need changing. When I was a kid black women were not allowed to use the same public bathrooms as I did in a lot of places, and I’m very happy that that is no longer the case.
Can we jut Lance and aceplace together?
I am a woman. I even made a kid to prove the point. I told you my opinion, as did a number of women. What do we have to do to be believed? It’s starting to feel like that woman in The Changeling.
"Silly woman! Here’s what you really think. "