Despite Tymp’s post, I think you’re on to something Stoid This sounds like the feminine version of “Big Dick Syndrome” in men, whereby a guy with a big schlong thinks that it alone makes him great in bed. I have heard from many women that this is not so.
Just talking about this brings my mind back to some of the lovely hours I spent with my first serious girlfriend in college, all 5’10" and 180+ pounds of her. Mmmm. Delicious! Boy do I miss her now.
Well, some of you are pointing out that fat people choose to be fat. I do not choose this body.
Run down on what I eat during the day:
Breakfast-Nothing, or if I’m feeling rich, a can of Slimfast.
Lunch-A slice of pizza and a cookie.
Dinner-Usually a serving of pasta
InBetween Snacks-Rare. I guess you could say my only snack food is a can of 7-up with lunch and a can of Coke with dinner.
(I really don’t know how many calories this is.)
A run down on my exercise habits:
Monday-Weight Training
Wednesday-Weight Training
Saturday-Kickboxing
Sunday-As least a two mile walk
Tues/Thurs/Fri-Usually busy with school, but since I don’t have a car, anytime I need to be somewhere, I walk.
And at least 500 sit-ups throughout the week.
Possible problem? PCOS, as Biggirl already mentioned.
And BTW, I am what some would call obese, but I am attractive and beautiful. And while I feel occasional bouts of frustration because my friend who tips the scales at 100 lbs eats more in a single sitting than I do all day, it doesn’t keep me up at nights.
well I think the OP about Fatties is true. If you see one in a lunch line with a double plate, you say/think "well no wonder " and if they have a salad you still think “hell I hate to see what she has for dinner”.
personal experience:
my father-in-law was a college scholarship hurdler. but got involved with a dinner theater and gained 200lbs in about 4 years when he was 40. at thanksgiving meal, I fill a plate with twice as much as I normally eat, cant even finish the plate. He eats his first plate and while we are finishing up, he gets his second plate, and while we are clearing the table, he gets his third plate. When I say “gets” I mean he has his daughter get it because he cant move around with his artifical knees(thats another story). well I always ate too much at holidays, but seeing that has cured me. then he always complains about being heavy. “if I wasnt so heavy I could…” Helloooo!
No Pepperlandgirl, it doesn’t sound like you’re eating too much. It does sound like maybe you’re eating the wrong things, though.
Pizza, Pasta, and soft drinks are pretty much guarranteed to stick with you.
I pretty much promise that you can eat more and lose weight if you follow Scylla’s reasonable guide.
Ditch the slim fast.
Have a good breakfast, a two egg omelet w/veggies, use Pam. Grapefruit juice, or a bowl of raisin bran and skim milk.
Eat lots of fruit and vegetables, meat, fish or chicken and salads. Cut out the dressing and prepare them simply. Drink water, not soda. Cut back on Carbo-heavy food. You want food that your body has to work to process.
Do 20 minutes of cardiovascular exercise first thing every morning to step up your metabolism. Try jogging, walk fast when you need a break, but jogging will get your metabolism and heartrate up. Once you break the 20 minute barrier on Cardio, your body will continue to burn food at a fast rate for the next 4-6 hours.
I know you didn’t ask for it, but hey, maybe it’ll help.
Damn you, Biggirl for pointing out flaws in my reasoning!
Actually, you’re right; one does not have to eat copious amounts to gain weight. But my point still holds. No one is forcing people to take in more calories than they burn, without extenuating circumstances. If you’re taking in a certain amount of calories, you must maintain a certain activity level to burn them off. And no opne is forcing anyone to not burn calories.
Now, I’m the first to admit that losing weight is hard. Very hard. Up there with quitting smoking. And being obese makes it even harder to exercise, because things tend to hurt.
But, Biggirl, admit it: In a large majority of cases, people are overweight because they eat more than they should, and exercise less than they should.
Case in point: PPG documented what she does and what she eats (thanks, PPG), and Scylla pointed out ways she could improve it, which she may not have been aware of, and may have been frustrated with not losing weight. Many overweight people suffer from a lack of information, which is why I think you’re criticism of the “Fat people are lazy” stereotype is right on. Some are, but I suspect many just don’t know how to lose weight the right way.
BTW, justinh, don’t take this the wrong way, but…uh…I’m not sure you’re adding anything to the discussion.
Justinh, I am finding your comments offensive. This is a discussion about overweight stereotypes and corollaries thereof, not about “Fatties” or “fat ugly chicks”. Overweight people are first and foremost people, and as such, deserve all the respect any other human being deserves. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but I’m not hearing a lot of respect in your comments.
I didn’t want to get into this but since I’m overweight right now it hits home. Other than the obvious reasons; I like my clothes to be fasionable and fit; I enjoy having the added energy that being a better weight affords; I feel guilty about being overweight. Not just guilty but unattractive, I feel the sterotype.
I’ve struggled with my weight most of my life. Oh to be back in the days of 16 to 25 when I was built like a brick and didn’t even know it because I still thought I was fat. Yes, THOUGT I was fat. Thought I was fat because I was 5’6", and wore a 12 instead of a 7. Back then I had a 38" bust and a 23 inch waist for God’s sake. But it was the 80’s not the 50’s and everything around me told me it wasn’t good to be shaped like Marilyn Monroe anymore. I never did get it. Why is it she is still worshipped as a sex goddess and I always had as good or better a figure, yet…Maybe it’s because Madonna got a little chubby on us in the 80’s then went into super-workout, look at these biceps mode.
The truth about a lot of women and weight…I can’t speak for men they’re different…Many of us don’t eat right at all, many of us don’t eat the right things, and we really don’t eat obscene amounts of food. Many of us sacrifice our own health, or good looks at least for our families. Many of us, especially those of us past 35 cannot loose weight simply by curbing our intake of food. We must exercise too. That is particularily true for me. I have to exercize and exercize strenuously. A brisk stroll doesn’t help much. The problem is WHEN? I’m run ragged most of time just working and doing what needs to be done for my family. It’s a guilty cycle. I feel guilty when my weight ballons, but I feel guilty when I let the laundry, yard, dishes, homework, etc. go so I can go work out 3 nights a week. Losing weight takes work and I have my hands full of it. So if you’d like to say I’m lazy then go ahead. I’m lazy because I’d rather get an extra hour of sleep or watch the news, or read the paper than attend cardio-kickboxing. (Which I enjoyed quite a bit by the way. And would love to start back but basketball season will run right into baseball and softball season and I’m wondering how in the hell we’ll get to all the practices and squeeze in a little TaeBo too!)
This seems to be the point were you and I disagree Necros. I don’t believe that the average fat person eats that much more than anyone. Of course there are those people who make the news because they are so fat that they can’t get out of bed and a crane has to be delivered to their house to get them to the hospital.
The wife looks into the camera sadly and says “He eats three whole chickens for dinner.” (If the guy can’t get out of bed, how in the hell does he get to 3 chickens for dinner, that’s what I’d like to know.)
This was an actual news story recently. The man in question was a glutton. But the reason he made the news is because this is so unusual.
Most of the overweight people you see ambling toward you down the street are not gluttons. They are not gym-rats either, but then neither are most anyone else you see.
Yet, fat people are judged quite harshly. Being fat is not a character flaw. Being obese is a medical condition that many people spend their whole lives struggling with. I don’t think fat people deserve any more respect than anyone else. They don’t deserve any less respect either.
Oh Lizard! If you worked with the same group of guys I do and said something like that you would regret it eternally. This is the sort of lob that begs for a spike around here.
Lack of information? I think it’s just the opposite myself. There has to be hundreds of diets, “fat-burner” supplements, appetite control drugs, and exercise regimens out there, and all of them seem to work for at least some people.
I used to be one of the people everyone loves to hate. I was 130 pounds my whole life and could eat a bowling ball without gaining weight. I was skinny and didn’t much like it. Four years ago I:
a) turned 30
b) got married
c) got a desk job
The combination of the above has packed on nearly 50 pounds. Now, at a touch under 5’9", I am nowhere near obese, but I have developed a bit of a spare tire. The reason why seems clear enough-- I live an entirely sedentary life. My former job had me briskly walking 10 hours a day, now I sit on my duff.
Personally, I think I look better now than I did when I was skeleton-boy, but it is probably only a matter of time before I am forced to exercise and cut down my food intake. It is difficult to start though. I have spent a whole lifetime eating unhealthy food in large amounts, and avoiding all exercise unless forced on me by circumstance.
I do realize that carbohydrates such as pizza and pasta are NOT the best things to eat. The love/hate relationship my family has with food is extremely complicated, and I don’t really want to use it has an excuse. But for one example, I feel guilty when I eat. As a result, I cut down (Skip breakfast), use as little money as possible on food (cheap slice of pizza), and cause as few waves as possible at dinner time (quietly eating pasta 3-5 times a week).
I want to escape this vicious cycle when I move in about 5 months. I hope a change in enviroment etc will also contribute to a change in eating style.
Ptahlis, maybe I should have said accurate information. There have been many, many diets, pills and other methods that purport to help one lose weight, but pretty much any nutritionist will tell you that you need to eat “good” foods and get “good” exercise. They won’t tell you to only eat meat, or eat only cabbage, or take Fen-Phen (or Phen-Fen, whichever it is).
I recommend (in my eminently qualified position as a non-member of the medical field :)) for anyone who is serious about losing weight to contact his or her doctor, and get correct information on what program is right. Don’t take your diet out of a magazine. But don’t let your doctor fob you off with “Lose weight” either. Have him draw you up a real plan, or refer you to a dietician who can do it for him. Stick to the plan. The overall idea is easy; it’s the details that suck.
Biggirl, you’re right, it’s much more a factor of what one eats than how much. One pound of carrots is better than one ounce of ice cream, and such. Actually, in my own experience, most very obese people eat normal quantities. A smaller group even eat good food. But only a much smaller group eat well and get lots of exercise. Those tend to be the people with medical reasons for their obesity.
Hey Ptahlis, the reason you could eat a bowling ball and not gain weight? Bowling balls contain nothing your body needs; it just passes right through.
Huh?! Please explain. Are you saying I’m wrong, or what? I’m not saying that every well-endowed guy is like this, or that they can’t be good lovers. And I realize that some women really do like a lot of meat. I’m just describing a certain mindset that you occasionally find in certain people.
So I’m a little puzzled by your post. Why would I “regret it eternally”? How is this a “lob”?
Ptahlis sets, Drachillix charges up to the net and…
Having dated heavily at times in my life I have had the opportunity to experience the <ahem> company of ladies of many sizes. I admit I prefer ladies that are soft, warm and cuddly.
Somebody above commented that heavier girls don’t assume you want them for their appearance.
In my experience. Often they spend greater effort to please their partners, because they want to reward you for looking beyond the fact that they are not a size 2.
If someone who knows they are totally hot in the cosmo, vogue, centerfold sense. They often seem to feel that all they have to do is be seen on your arm, and many guys are willing to forgive tons of personality problems, bad attitudes, and partners who do not want to please them because all their friends go “Wow” when they see your girlfriend.
Heavier folks know that they have to be a better “package” across the board because looks are not going to do it all for them.
As far as the fat people choosing to be fat debate. I operate under the assumption that I have only myself to blame for my weight (5’11, 290) but I am pretty comfortable with my weight the way it is.
I know that many people look down on me because of my weight but like someone else said they just saved me the trouble of finding out they are assholes.
apology to moderator in advance if that is an inappropriate generalization
Okay, I can’t stand it anymore and have to reply to some of this.
You suggest that you felt like crap when you were overweight. I assume, because I KNOW and based on your words about your energy and outlook, that you were miserable. You feel lousy about yourself, your ability to change, and you’re humiliated by your appearance? Am I right?
But then you go on to imply that fat people deserve to be looked down upon because they’re in this miserable situation.
Well, let me point out to you that your body is NOT like your house. You can leave a few things laying around your house without becoming a miserable, sobbing, humiliated human being. You can LEAVE your house and go think of other things for awhile and come back prepared to clean. Are you getting my point here?
I had a similar experience to yours actually. I was SEVERELY overweight, due to a medical problem accompanied by depression. While I’d gained weight, I still enjoyed being active and was still making an attempt to correct my situation…which I believe most overweight people ARE. Contrary to what I’ve read here, no one literally CHOOSES to be overweight. No one. Perhaps they can’t find the strength to make the changes they need, but they don’t CHOOSE it.
Think about a significantly overweight person choosing to go to a health club to get some exercise. Any idea the kind of attitudes they run into? When I was heavy, most people at the health club ignored me, happy to go about their OWN business as usual. But there are those who think you deserve their scorn, that you’re less of a person, and deserve different treatment than the same you at a lower weight.
In my case, this scorn threatened to keep me out of the gym. Had I been a less strong person I would have gone home to hide and eat in order to avoid the problem of facing this humiliation.
The stereotypes and acceptability of differential treatment that we’re discussing here made it MORE difficult for me to change my body. They deepened my depression and my horror at my appearance.
I know I’m way off the topic and just completely venting now. But I have another thing to add. Along with these stereotypes goes the notion that it’s okay to offer stupid suggestions to overweight people about how to solve their problem. Even in this message board, I’ve seen suggestions to get on crash diets (Atkin’s). When I was heavy people gave me such useless “help” every day. Told me to try crash diets, take certain pills, eat certain foods in combination, take these or those vitamins, avoid these or those vitamins.
What all these people have in common is that they don’t know what they’re talking about and they’re condescending morons. Every overweight person learns for themselves that crash diets exacerbate the problem rather than solving it. Every overweight person has TRIED all these suggestions and knows them to be false long after they give up trying new ones. It is generally a myth that a thin person knows how to be fit better than an overweight person.
were overweight. I assume, because I KNOW and based on your words about your energy and outlook, that you were miserable. You feel lousy about yourself, your ability to change, and you’re humiliated by your appearance? Am I right?
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No, I felt tired and slow, and also restless at the same time. I didn’t have my usual positive outlook.
In my experience, most newbies are somewhat ignored at health clubs.
A lot of people come through, try it out for a couple of times and then they are never seen again. No real sense in getting friendly with someone until they’ve demonstrated they’re going to be around.
I belong to the local Y and I can attest that once a commitment is demonstrated, an overweight person gets a lot of support.
I don’t advocate crash dieting. I eat like a horse, and I exercise hard every day so I can get away with it.
People don’t choose to live in a pigsty either. They just don’t have the strength of character to keep their house clean, or it’s not important to them.
Your experience is clearly not that of a severely overweight person.
There’s no real sense in being RUDE or condescending to someone unless they’ve demonstrated that they deserve it either. But that doesn’t keep it from happening.