Is it possible to have any sort of Christian discussion on this board without someone popping in to tell us how stupid we are? John, if you have honest questions, then this might be a good place for them. Otherwise, doesn’t this lean toward the Pit or something?
A fundamental point of Christianity is that the people of this world, all of them, are inadequate practitioners of doing what they should be doing. John, let’s put it this way, would you like to know that the dorks on the street are not only attracted to your daughter, but imagining in vivid detail what they would do, given the chance? Why does avoiding doing this seem so offensively impossible? I know it’s very hard, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the goal. Another point is that Jesus isn’t asking people to do things on their own power, but with the Holy Spirit’s power that is working through them. I hope that doesn’t sound too B-movie mystical. I submit that I’ve had this happen on way more than one occasion.
it seems to me that there isn’t anything wrong with saying, "I think what you’re doing is wrong, and
here’s why, and you should stop". However, if you choose to give advice like that, I think your attitude is important.
Very good point. There are people at my church who would be very interested in talking to people involved in certain lifestyles, etc, because they have been there themselves, but about the most pushy they get is giving a business card. If the person doesn’t want to call them, they aren’t ready to be helped anyway.
I think the reactions to His4ever are often overdone around here, but then again, is she just jumping in and telling people things they’re not interested in hearing? I think if we look at Jesus’ ministry style, He tended very much to go to the people who were ready. In fact, he seemed to be somewhat pointedly obscure in some of His storytelling, which I’m guessing was to reach the people He wanted. Mind you, there was a good bit said or demonstrated boldly, but notice how He tries to avoid being a flavor-of-the-month celebrity or a healing vending machine?
I want to portray the love of Christ in the best way possible. I just want to make sure that I’m doing
it for him and that I’m not compromising because I might be afraid of what someone else might say. I mean he also said they will hate you for your beliefs, so what does that mean? Will you hate me for my beliefs, or for me telling you my beliefs?
My take on this is that you can be bold with the people who want to hear what you have to say. Just to make an example, you wouldn’t be offended at hearing a bold, um, Muslim message if you’d turned up at a mosque, and you wouldn’t be offended if your good friend had a discussion with you about it in a respectful way.
The problem is that the church often reinforces the idea that the “stars” are the ones who make the biggest noise, regardless of the effectiveness or the appropriateness.
I was even recently writing an email along these lines:
"Some people are honestly very concerned with being as “into” the Lord as possible, but they, and some others who just feel the social pressure around them, then try to show how close to the Lord they are by bashing things that they are told are antithetical to Christian ideals.
This happens in the church, in unions, and in any group that is defined by the belief system of the group members. The more passionately you express your enthusiasm, the more cachet you have with the rest of the group, regardless of whether you make actual sense or not. Maxine Waters then is a great spokeswoman for black people, Jerry Falwell is a better Bible-believer than you, and the union president cares more about the working class than you, simply because they yell louder and act crazier in their defense of the ideals of the group. Mind you, this almost surely then means that they aren’t acting in the group’s best interest, and probably are not even on the same page as the original intent of the group, but because they’re more passionate, they supposedly should be the ones who get to be the leaders. By virtue of “caring more”, they stake claim to the moral high ground and convince many in the group that they are the go-to people."
In regards to things like the table throwing in the temple courts, as I stated in another thread kind of recently, ever notice that the people Jesus gets mad at are either being opportunist in the name of God, or being so blind/hypocritical when they really should know better that He just can’t stand it?