The "Longest Election Campaign in Modern Canada" Thread

Whoops, I guess Conservative Brad Butt let slip a little too much information about the CPC “end game”.

Under Bill C-24, he gave the example thatMulcair could be deported, since he’s a dual citizen.

Interestingly, under this new Conservative Party law, Mulcair would have no recourse to the courts or any appeal process. A political decision like this would be entirely in the hands of the minister. The minister could decide that Mulcair was guilty of Treason. He would not even have to give his reasoning or defend his decision to the public.

Thanks, Mr. Butt, for bringing this to our attention.

Hypothetical scenario:

Harper wins a thin minority. He knows that neither the NDP nor the Liberals will support his leadership, and he’ll be defeated the moment the throne speech is given. The GG will then be told that another party has the confidence of the majority of MP’s in the house (a confidence and supply agreement).

What if Harper simply decides to not recall Parliament… for months and months? What if he simply delays and delays, and runs everything out of the PMO (which is what has happened for the past 4 years anyway)?

How long could he keep this up? What recourse would there be? Could anyone MAKE him? Or could he just keep going for years like this?

12 months max. The Constitution requires Parliament to sit at least once every 12 months. And it would of course be political suicide for him to try that.

Parliament is actually convened by the GG but he’s only supposed to do it at the request of the PM. I imagine after 12 months have elapsed he can and must do it on his own authority.

And what a delightfully appropriate name Mr. Butt has. I wonder if it’s been shortened from something else? :smiley:

I would certainly hope the GG would step in after 12 months but that’s a long time… people could certainly be deported under ministerial fiat by then. Various important emergencies could come along…

The Harpers could also do that to both the Green MPs, who were born in the same hospital in Connecticut.

I was close to equal, with a slight weighting to conservative. That made me laugh.

And now the Harper mouthpieces are floating the idea of banning the niquab for all federal workers.

Because that’s such a pressing problem in this country.

I guess that Harper’s favourite Temporary Foreign Worker is using the Dead Cat Strategy, along with the “get your intolerant Base worked up” strategy.

“Let’s not talk about the economy, or leadership, or international affairs, or education, or healthcare. Look! Over there! It’s a niquab!”

You’d think he’d at least be creative enough to try to disguise it as “banning the wearing of religious symbols” the way the PQ did in Quebec as a pretext for banning scary Muslim garb like niqabs. However, religious symbols that were legally defined as “small”, such as, let’s say, the kinds of crosses and other religious paraphernalia that French-Canadian Catholics like to wear, were considered perfectly all right.

Or I should say, the way the PQ proposed to do in Quebec before it created a public uproar and they were unceremoniously tossed out of office. I highly recommend that Harper follow their example.

One would hope that the GG would get over the custom long before twelve months elapsed! The Governor General really ought to act like a reluctant referee, not like a mouthpiece of the PMO.

It was more the (unjustifiable) fear of another referendum that did the PQ in. But now I’m envisioning the Conservatives’ rationale: “We need to protect women from repression… by firing them!”

People always react to these stories as if it’s the first time they’d heard of them. I don’t get it. Ten years? It’s been like this for a hundred years. I guess it’s easy to ignore or something.

If you want to know why, well, study the issue. It is, I am afraid, rather complex.

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And now the Harper mouthpieces are floating the idea of banning the niquab for all federal workers.

Because that’s such a pressing problem in this country.
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See, Stephen Harper isn’t a racist. He just wants to win the racist vote.

Stephen Harper long ago stopped caring about the issues and started caring just about keeping himself in the PMO. If Harper though he could secure a majority by wearing a niqab himself and ending every statement with “Insha’Allah,” he’d be doing them both before today’s first campaign stop.

In the old days we called it the red herring strategy, you know, after the stinky fish that a wise criminal would toss off to the side to throw off the scent of the dogs during a pursuit.

At its most simple, the problem is underfunding, but that begs the question of why there is underfunding.

The money that flows out of Aboriginal Affairs (previously INAC) is huge, and there is a lot of dispute as to whether it is being spent wisely (for example, have a look at Attawapiskat), but the simple facts are that water and waste water systems cost a lot to build and maintain, and cost even more when they are situated in remote areas (often without year 'round road access), and cost yet even more when the residents do not have the workforce to build or maintain them.

It will cost billions to ensure that all First Nations communities will have basic water and waste water services. The Federal government – not just the Harpers, but also the Liberals before them – have not been willing to open up their purse strings sufficiently to meet the existing need or to prepare for the upcoming need due to very high birth rates (“We’re popping out babies like Pez dispensers on the Res!” to quote one of my First Nations students).

What takes place is that Reservations wait in line until the government gets around to them, and it is a long wait. Yes, there are many completed projects, but they often do not meet the increasing demand due to the increasing populations, and often are not adequately maintained due to the lack of a skilled workforce on reserves and due to political instability and nepotism on reserves. Yes, there are quite a few projects underway, but they, like many of their precursors, are usually so tightly bean counted that usually minor firms who underbid win the contracts, which in turn leads to construction delays, lawsuits over deficiencies, and facilities prone to failure. All these come down to the government dodging the cost of providing water and waste water services to reserves.

Now add to that the general public’s attitude to the problem. The Harpers have succeeded in past elections in large part due to their promoting the limiting of budget expenditures. Tossing out about five billion dollars to communities that for the most part do not vote, and when they do only seldom vote Conservative, is not a good way to keep getting elected. Beyond this is the issue of “Why should they get water and waste water when I don’t?” Only about three-quarters of people in Canada have water and waste water, for it tends to be an urban service. Folks who live in the boonies (such as myself) drill or dig our own wells and dig our own septic at our own cost. A fair question is why priority for water and waste water services should be given under constitutionally valid treaty rights at the expense of expense of taxpayers who do not receive such services. That is a voting issue for many people.

What it comes down to is that Canadians and our governments need to decide if we wish to support remote communities sufficiently so that they can succeed despite having no economic base and despite being socially isolated (to quote an air paramedic: “It’s Lord of the Flies up there!”), or if we wish to only support them as minimally as possible but in accordance with treaty terms. That question is incredibly complex, given the historical, cultural, social, economic and geographical factors, so there is not clear path, nor is there any possibility of a clear path any time soon.

What remains is that there are people without safe water and safe sewage who are not able to take care of that problem on their own. I do not find that acceptable, so I am willing to vote to have some of my taxes going toward helping them enjoy the same opportunities that the rest of us enjoy – for me it is a basic human rights issue. Other people are not willing to have their taxes go toward this, and instead either prefer to have a greater net income by not paying as much in taxes in the first place, or by using taxes to benefit taxpayers more rather than be thrown away trying to sustain remote communities that will never thrive and will only continue to be expanding cesspools of poverty and despair.

I think there are valid arguments on all sides, which unfortunately for the people living on remote reserves means that they will not be at the top of any government’s priority list if that government wishes the majority of the electorate to vote for it. Attempts to have an open an honest discussion of the issues more often than not lead to polarization, often including accusation (supportable or non-supportable) of racism being flung in both directions. That means that any serious attempt to address the First Nations water and waste water issue will be a political hot potato for whichever party that takes is on while in power.

Think of it this way. All the Harpers had to do to surge in the polls in what had previously been a fairly even race was to raise the flag concerning the cloth covering a couple of Muslim women’s faces during a ceremony for which they already shown their faces for ID purposes during the signing phase immediately prior to the ceremony. With an election turning something like that, a party trying for power would do well to only make motherhood statement such as “Drinking water for all Canadians” rather than get down in the nitty, gritty and shitty cultural and economic trench warfare that seriously addressing the problem will require.

I was encouraged by the joint partnership shown by Joe Clark and Paul Martin and native leaders, and hopefully if the Harper government goes into a minority or defeated in this election they’ll have to finally listen to move forward. Certainly it’s an expensive undertaking but anything worthwhile usually is.

And on the subject of waste water, I have not heard of a bill yet, but it looks like it might take one to permit Montreal dumping eight billion litres of untreated waste water into the river. Seeing as time is running out on the city’s highway project that requires the spill, and Environment Canada is dodging the issue on Fisheries Act grounds, I wouldn’t be surprised if Harper tries to grab some more Quebec votes by pushing through legislation that goes along with what the governments of Montreal and Quebec want to do.

It also opens up the possibility of Trudeau or Mulcair, should either of them end up as PM, facing a public and fecal shit storm over the issue at the start of the next sitting of the House. What-cha gonna do, what-cha goona do, what-cha gonna do when it dumps on you?

Paul Martin Jr. gets it. He’s visited enough remote reserves, met with enough First Nations people, and worked on issues such as this consistently since he left politics. Clark doesn’t have the same depth of experience, but his heart is in the right place, and still carries respect in conservative spheres.
It will take people such as them – people who are respected as being “one of us” (whatever that may mean) rather than being taken as “activists” (whatever that may mean) – to help get the message across and start changing public opinion to the degree that whatever government that is in power at the time is willing to deal with it and other related First Nation issues.
I don’t think most people who have not been to remote reserves and have not worked with people who live on remote reserves can even begin to grasp the depth of the problem, so I’m not in any way at all suggesting that mainstream Canadians are not compassionate and giving people, but rather I’m saying that it is not possible for most people to grasp at a visceral level the severity of the problem, and consequently when competing for the public purse with other important issues, most folks tend not to give aboriginal issues enough attention and resources to help bring about effective change. That’s where respected elders such as Martin and Clark can make a big difference in how long it will take to get First Nations up to first world standards, for they have the chops to be listened to by the general public, and to some degree to influence the decisions of politicians.

I’m curious as to what Harper will do to keep himself busy should he leave politics. Surf boards as a finder? Of course. But will he take on any causes the way Martin, Clark and our southern colonies’ Carter have done? I hope he does, for he’s still relatively young (mid-50s), but it remains to be seen.

Forget about the economy.
Forget about helping those on first nation reserves.
Forget about international relations.
Forget about employment, education, health, or any of those other silly issues.

Harper has found the most important thing in Canada today. The thing that will get him elected.

Harper is sick. He is a sick, disgusting twisted man.

You know, Harper hasn’t remotely said this is the most important issue. In fact, the CBC article on this announcement had a direct quote from him saying precisely that this isn’t the most important issue. There’s no need for hysterical hyperbole to argue against the idea.

Yes. Right. Harper has not paid any attention at all to the economy, first nations, international relations, or employment, education, or health.

I give up. :rolleyes: