The Steelers/Bills preseason game in on here at the bar. I saw the Steelers kickoff kicker limp off holding his hamstring.
Yeah, I saw that, too. It doesn’t pay to be a kicker in Pittsburgh this year.
Your “rebuttal” is beyond pathetic. Yes, I read that Linsley was a Packer. My POINT was, you football genius you, that I never heard of him before, and don’t know why you would drag in another name. You are accusing me of a reading comprehension problem? That’s… Interesting.
Yeah, I feel bad. :dubious: And, I have never seen a diarrhetic monkey, so you have me there (does it look like you typing at your keyboard?)
You remind me of a bad attorney… Can’t admit to being wrong, so you continue to parse every word looking for inconsistencies, or some “gotcha” moment, while trying to deflect attention from a weak position. It isn’t working. (“Linsley is a Packer! And I told you that, and you still said you didn’t know who he was! You can’t read! Gotcha!”)
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You keep saying this. Please… Do enlighten us all. Just tell us all about the finer points of interior line play. We all wait with anticipation! I guess the reason you haven’t is because you can’t. I know you won’t actually admit that, so you just keep avoiding it.
Anyway, sorry Airman. Didn’t mean to derail the thread.
Let’s discuss who the next kicker is going to be!
It would be nice if they could find someone who could actually kick touchbacks consistently.
Your wish has been granted! Josh Scobee in a trade. Not as accurate as Suisham but much much better on kickoffs which will be big for helping this defence with field position, especially early in the year as they adapt to the new system.
Be careful. Stink Fish Pot, if he’s consistent, will demand that you establish your expertise in kicking and you’ll have to explain to him the intricacies of playing kicker, or he’ll immediately dismiss whatever you say and be an obnoxious jerk about it while he does. And don’t bother offering any evidence like stats or grading by experts, because those don’t count. Only whatever he has heard of and deems important will be considered.
While I know that these are meaningless games, this pre-season has not been good for my optimism for the upcoming season. There really wasn’t anybody in the new crop where I’m thinking “gosh, I can’t wait to see this guy play this season”. Still, hope springs eternal.
Question for you Squeeler fans…
It’s beyond dispute that it’s entirely Dick Lebeau’s fault that we have to keep hearing about Tebow every year. That Denver team had backed into the playoffs, and there was more than enough film showing how to shut him down. The fact that Pittsburgh managed to lose that playoff game should have resulted in Lebeau’s immediate retirement, IMO. Yet he hung on, the Steelers were 30th in defensive DVOA last season, and he somehow managed to find a job with Tennessee at age 77.
Anyway, I’m real interested to see what the Steelers D does this year, and I’m wondering what happened to a D that was so consistent and effective for so long. Under Lebeau, they’ve had a reputation as a team that was adept at developing late-1st to mid-round draft picks and plugging them into the defense without missing a beat. That obviously isn’t true anymore. Is it because Lebeau is washed up? Did the rest of the league figure out his defense? Is it because they happened to strike gold with that core group that won in 05 and 08? Is it a failure of player development under Tomlin? Bad cap management?
You know, you are as embarrassing as your own favorite whipping boy, Elvisl1ves. Why would I demand anything like that from anyone? You were the one making assertions that you KNOW about interior line play, and the only “evidence” you produced was the PFF website.
The difference is, I think Elvis knows he’s yanking people’s chains. You seem to actually believe your own BS.
You are just another SUPERFAN who thinks because he plays in 4 fantasy leagues, and reads NFL stat info, that somehow, you are an expert.
Your occupation indicates “prosecutor”. Seriously? You have the time during your day as a prosecutor to read and respond to a SD Steeler thread? I guess you don’t say “what” you prosecute, so I guess that could be technically true.
Explain to me, in the context of this message board, how your “misspelled” post was not just a threadshit? That is exactly what that was. Airman was talking about the loss of Pouncey, and you didn’t offer anything in your reply… Just a shitty comment. What pissed you off is that people called you on it and your only defense was “you must be a homer”.
Why are you even in this thread? You offer nothing. Your latest post is a perfect example. You spent the time to respond to HKF just to get a rise out of me.
That is pathetic. You need to evaluate your life and put some priorities in order. I WISH i had the free time to read a Packer/Eagle/Brown/Colt/whoever march to the SB thread and make comments about that team, its players, or its “homer” fans.
I can offer you an opinion… I will assume the “experts” will be along to set the record straight.
About Tebow… What I remember about that year was that Tebow came in after the season started and won something like 8 games in a row. The Steelers have had a bad secondary for years, but the success of LeBeau’s defense seemed to rely on great LB play and pressure on the QB.
If I remember correctly, the Steelers secondary was thin that season. And one of their starting DB’s (I think it was Ryan Clark, but someone will know the details) has a blood disorder that does not permit him to play in the thin air of Denver.
That exposed the lack of secondary depth. The truth is, the dynamic duo of Colbert/Tomlin rode the Cowher-era draft picks to two SB appearances, and one ring.
I don’t think it is an accident the Steelers have not won a playoff game since. That loss in Denver, to Tim Tebow of all QB’s, should tell anyone who doesn’t blindly believe in all things Steelers that Colbert has a terrible eye for talent (especially defensive players) and Tomlin and his coaching staff never develop anyone.
LeBeau’s system works (like most coaches) if they have the right players. When they blew the Jarvis Jones pick, it really put them in a bind. They have no pass rush, and any decent QB can shred them to pieces.
I personally feel that LeBeau was a convenient scapegoat for the very poor defense. But when you don’t draft/sign the right guys, they just aren’t good enough to make his schemes work.
They also never replaced Hampton, who freed up an athletic LB to blitz and rush the QB.
They have whiffed on multiple years of draft picks and FA signings.
I think the Steelers are going to be very bad this season on defense, and they will have trouble stopping anyone.
Unless Kevin Butler is a genius who LeBeau kept down, (and I hope that is the case) I think this season will be the beginning of the end of the Colbert/Tomlin era. You cannot blame Dick LeBeau forever.
The Steelers are wasting a franchise QB in his prime. It is a shame, but I don’t see anything on defense that will stop the floodgates.
I don’t think LeBeau was entirely to blame. I don’t know if he had any input to draft picks and signings, so if he did, I put more on his shoulders. And he wasn’t able to coach to his player’s strengths, and tweak his schemes significantly to match them. All people were ever told was that LeBeau’s defense is complicated, and rookies rarely if ever start. But the front 7 just aren’t as good as they were, which puts those weak DB’s on an island.
I think the reason for Tebow’s success in that game and some of their woes now are the same and it starts with the defensive line. Everyone dismissed Casey Hampton eating up two blockers (in the run game) as hyperbole but it was very true and at Left End they had the very underrated Aaron Smith. Lebeau once mentioned Smith’s remarkable ability to stay on his feet so naturally I started paying a lot of attention to that and it really was astounding how well he held his gap. In the Denver game several guys were injured and the D-line, playing every snap was too much for the big guys. They were gassed and there was no pressure at all. I forget who it was but on the fateful pass to Thomas someone in the secondary bit on run and then was burned.
That’s been happening ever since, the secondary didn’t have to worry about guys springing through the middle so much. Now it’s a big concern and you’re seeing the effects in coverage as guys are out of position worrying about defending the run. I think Butler will try and sidestep that issue now that Lebeau is gone by having the linemen crash their gaps more often. The days are gone when Casey Hampton and Aaron Smith could each be responsible for two gaps each play. The new linemen are pretty good but Cameron Heyward for instance is much more active than those guys and as likely to penetrate as eat up blockers. The first games will be rough but Butler is smart and has good pieces to work with. They leaned heavily on veterans for the last Super Bowl runs and had to rebuild a lot on D. The price was paid the past few years and will be paid again this year. I don’t think they will ever replace the x-factor that Troy Polamalu provided though; they’ll try with Shazier but the ceiling for this group just doesn’t look as high as those dominant groups from the past decade.
Because you did for me, and I figured you’d want to be consistent in … let’s say … the way you treat people. Now, I kinda expected that you’d have different rules for different posters depending on how much they tow the Steeler line, but I didn’t expect it to be so … obvious.
I offered an opinion, and supported it with evidence (you don’t really need the quotation marks, just so you know). You are, as you have, free to just try and handwave it away, but that doesn’t change the fact that all I did was offer an opinion, support it with evidence. It was you who, after I pointed out the underlying assumptions you were making were invalid, got your black and gold panties in a twist and decided I had to prove I was an expert before I could offer an opinion. Which just, once again, highlights your hypocrisy and desire to trade insults rather than discuss football.
I see you’re not actually interested in discussing football. It’s all about the silly little insults, like that I play fantasy, so I don’t know football, that I spend too much time on the internet. When you’re done throwing your little hissy fit and grow up and can talk with the adults, let me know.
Let’s calm down in this thread, the personal posts are starting to rise fairly high.
General note to everyone, take it to the Pit if you have a problem with another poster.
No, you threadshit.
If your first post was "I think Mangold is better than Pouncey, and here’s why… " You might have a case. But you didn’t. All you typed was, “you misspelled Nick Mangold”. That wasn’t meant to be an opinion. That was meant to get a reaction from Airman.
Bob and weave. Selectively quote. That’s all you do. You depend on people to not read the entire thread, you make blanket accusations about me, and think that’s ok. You don’t see that what you do is reduce any credibility you think you’ve built up on this board re: football because you refuse to admit you were wrong. Not all people who happen to be Steeler (or any team, actually) fans are mouthbreathing homers.
ETA: posted before I saw Idle Thoughts post. This is my last comment on the subject.
I’ve been on this board for a long time. I’ve dealt with Airman for a great majority of it, including the Packers v. Steelers Super Bowl where I like to think we both handled our fandom very well. I have never pegged him to take offense at a wittier way of saying “Mangold is better than Pouncey” to anywhere near the extend you apparently did. I’d be shocked if he found my expressing my opinion in that way to be a threadshit. It was an opinion. But it was one that expressed that a Steeler may not be the best player in the game, so you took it as a threadshit. Because … well, because you’re you.
Good. You’ve embarrassed yourself enough already.
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Ok, it’s game day. After that disaster of a preseason it’s time to get down to it. Pittsburgh will put up a fortyburger on New England and pull out a narrow win.
Defense a little better than expected - so far only allowed 2 TD’s by Gronkowski. Not bad for a defense that for no apparent reason decides to occasionally only field 10 players.
Offense is going to have a harder time than expected with that whole no scoring field goals thing.
How much did they give up for Scobee?
While a loss, this went better than expected. Offense looks strong. You have to convert, of course, but they’ll get there.
Defense, while at times imitating butter faced with a Jedi light saber, made some stops and some plays - and did better than the absolutely dismal showing of the pre-season would indicate. Hope still lives.