Another cartoon mismemory. When I was a kid I used to watch a Hanna-Barbera cartoon titled “Bailey’s Comets” about a young woman that lead a roller skating team on a quest to win a million dollars. They played against various goofy teams around the world, and her team almost always won.
Make that his team. Although I could remember her face vividly, when I looked it up not long ago “Bailey” was male…and it was a DePatie-Freleng production.
I refer to it as a the Pugwash effect.
You can probably walk up to anyone in the UK over a certain age (40, perhaps) and ask “tell me about Captain Pugwash” and about 80% of them will tell you it was a kids tv show which had hidden sexual references such as “master bates”, “roger the cabin boy” (roger is slang for having sex) and “semen stains”.
It did not. It was a joke.
The original TV show had the names Master mate, Tom the cabin boy.
So how did this happen? Different reality?
Nope.
Victor Lewis-Smith was a comedian who did jokes based on nostalgia, particularly british (but might work for americans), called Buy-gones.(Here is a channel 4 compilation, it was originally as a bit part on a Radio 4 show, and eventually did some late night stuff on Channel 4. It was obviously a joke.
He also did a column in a short lived UK Sunday newspaper called The Sunday Correspondent. I bought and read this newspaper ever week, purely for his column. I might even have a few somewhere in my house. The Pugwash joke was printed in that one Sunday. It was clearly a joke made.
Then The Guardian newspaper printed it as fact. They were sued and printed a retraction.
The wiki is wrong, and snopes is wrong on this. The state that the Sunday Correspondent was sued for this in 1991. It wasn’t. The Sunday Correspondent didn’t exist in 1991, it closed in 1990.
People continued to believe this urban myth because, like a lot of urban myths, they want to. It’s funny. Truth is not needed. And weird space time crap based on jokes persist on the back of things like this.
I remember when I was in college arguing with someone that the song The Promise was by the band Erasure. I could see in my mind’s eye the MTV credit text saying it was Erasure. And this was in the early 90s so the song was not that old. I fought tooth and nail because I was sure.
It isn’t. It’s from When in Rome. You can be sure and be wrong. It happens.
Similarly, people conflate the Saturday Night Live “It’s a Wonderful Life” skit where the townsfolk find out that Potter stole the money and exact revenge with the actual movie.
And people remember Sarah Palin saying “I can see Russia from my house!”, when that was actually Tina Fey impersonating her.
I have a musical example. For a long time, since I first heard that song, I thought that Mick Jagger in “Angie” sang:
Angie, Angie
When will those dark clouds disappear
Until about 20 years ago, hearing the song for the umptiest time, it changed to:
Angie, Angie
When will these clouds all disappear
And I can’t blame it on an alternative or live version, because I only ever heard the one studio version from “Goat’s Head Soup” or the single version, respectively. I don’t even know any live version, I don’t think the Stones played it much on stage.
So, what is going on here? Were there multiple versions?
It is just that some versions aren’t as clear as others so it might look as if she has braces if you don’t pay attention.
So far it’s only in still photos that she doesn’t appear to be wearing braces. Easy to photoshop, and possibly the stills are the actress’s publicity photos . The video clip above shows the braces pretty clearly, but that’s not the end of the story. Moonraker is available on Netflix right now and at 1:10:19 as it appears on my TV she is not wearing braces.
Both IMDb she never had braces and Wikipedia say she never had braces. It may not be possible to track down the source of the video clip posted by @digs but the reveal is so brief it’s possible someone edited the video.
Certainly braces made sense out of the scene, should have been shot that way.
Wait! There’s more… at 1:57:21 on my screen we see the same sequence when Jaws and Dolly are on the space station. He smiles revealing his metal teeth and she smiles back. But this time the image is a little grainy and along with the light reflecting off her teeth it looks a little like she has braces. But seconds later at 1:57:44 she’s seen smiling again, this time from the side with no sign of braces, and again at 1:57:55, 1:58:07, 1:58:19 no braces to be seen.
Seeing this on broadcast TV, especially B&W as I first saw it would be easy to assume she was wearing braces. Both shots of her smiling are very brief and as noted so often it makes sense that she has braces on her teeth. Sadly this appears to be the end for both Jaws and Dolly as the space station catastrophically explodes.
She was close when she said you can see parts of Russia from parts of Alaska.
I’m not saying Plain was the start of MAGA, but it was around the time she was accepted by people as a running mate that I began to worry about the right more. I mean…this is not an intelligent person.
It’s true Tina Fey said that exact quote but it was in reference to Palin saying that Alaska being close to Russia was what made her qualified on foreign policy.
But she did say you can see Russia from Alaska, which is kinda true. However, that does not make Palin any sort of expert on Russian relations.
Blurry and some reflection, you can see braces if you want to- but there are none.
Correct. They did not film braces. We all just saw what we saw and honestly, we came up with a better resolution than the movie did
It was a cute joke they missed out on.
Well, I’m not sure that it got solved, because there isn’t a scene that matches that description in The Sopranos.
There is a scene in the first episode on a bridge where they threaten to throw a live person off that bridge, but no one gets tossed. Then in episode 6, they throw someone else off that same bridge, but he was alive when they tossed him over and he only became a corpse after he landed. In episode 11, a live guy jumps off a different bridge. A few seasons later they throw a corpse off a sea cliff, just not a bridge.
TL;DR
No corpses were thrown off bridges in The Sopranos.
So maybe you are still Mandela’d about Man Bites Dog, the person you talked to was Mandela’d about The Sopranos, and then that person’s Sopranos Mandela-ing inadvertently gaslighted you about The Sopranos.
A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
Oh great! Now we’ll never know!
According to Wiki (and my own memory) “Jaws and Dolly, who ejected themselves in one of Drax’s escape pods, are recovered by the Marines.”
That did happen on Voyager when Tuvok and Neelix combined to form Tuvix.
Correct. One of the most famous scenes is when they whack a guy by throwing him off of the bridge over the Great Falls in Paterson. Easy to see how the memory can change it to a corpse.
Lots of bridge murder in the Sopranos. Maybe my dreams are a critic.