“We’re the United Methodists Front of Judea!” “Were the People’s United Methodist Front!”
Nod to Monty Python.
I think it would be, “We’re the United Methodist Church”…“We’re the Church of United Methodists”…“F**k off, splitter!!!”
I suppose that depends on what you mean by mainline. Southern Baptists are a sizable church in the US, and the largest contingent of Baptists. The belief structure is fairly conservative and somewhat evangelical. They are more mainstream than a lot of denominations, at least in the South.
I grew up in that denomination, and will say that in the 80s, my local church went through a bit of a religious schism. We had a moderate wing (with some surprisingly liberal takes on some religious beliefs) and a conservative wing. The conservatives were more in line with the Southern Baptist Convention, and they won out.
Aside, being a fish in the water, so to speak, it didn’t dawn on me that we didn’t have any minority members until my dad pointed it out when I went to a big church camp. That’s when I learned that the Southern Baptists split off over racial segregation. I had heard about Black Baptist churches and kinda wondered what was different. That made it sink home.
That was a big part of my leaving that church, which eventually led to my atheism.
I think the SBC was going down a more moderate to liberal route until at some point in the late 70’s, there was a conservative backlash, culminating in a conservative takeover at the convention in 1979. If not for that, the SBC would have likely gone in the direction of the Mainline denominations.
The term “Mainline Protestant” has a specific meaning (though the term is less widely used these days than it used to be), and it doesn’t just mean “major Protestant denominations.”
As per Wikipedia:
The big Mainline Protestant denominations are churches like the United Methodist Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church, etc.
The churches of the Southern Baptist Convention are definitely not “theologically liberal or progressive,” but they are Evangelical, and many of them are also Fundamentalist. In short, Southern Baptists aren’t Mainline Protestants.
I’m curious how that’s phrased in the original Latin.
Didn’t Paul also say to only get married if you couldn’t abstain, but that abstinence was better than marriage?
I mostly threw in the Judea part to help people catch the reference.
Ah, so not “mainstream”, which is how I took it. Thank you for the clarification.
Sorry, I appear to be dredging up comments from a while back. Should read first, then post.
The original Corinthians was written in Koine Greek, not Latin.
I’m not sure about latin, but here is the link to the interlinear from Greek:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/6-9.htm
And don’t leave out the very next verse:
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
To which I ask, if you are washed, are you not washed?
Some of the comments on that video I linked above suggested that at least some had been given an extension into 2024 for practical reasons. But they also have a lot of rumors that I doubt. I had thought the audience for that channel was more neutral. There used to be a lot of atheists who would even respond. (And the guy who does the channel has no problem collaborating with atheists and people of other faiths.)
You are right to question that. The original greek terms are very hotly contested. They are malakoi and arsenokoitai. The former is a term that literally means “soft” and implies “luxurious”, and the latter term is a new coinage that combined “man” and “bed.”
The traditional interpretation of the latter is that it is a reference to Leviticus 18:22, as the words for “bed” and “man” are used in the Septuagint in that verse. And that verse is usually translated something like “Man should not lie with man as he does woman.” And “malekoi” supposedly can mean “effeminate.” This gets combined to refer to what we now would call “tops” and “bottoms.”
Oh, and that verse in Leviticus is also hard to translate. Literally, it’s something like “With (a) male you shall not lie (the) lyings of a woman. (An) abomination is that.” And there is a huge debate on what the word translated “lyings” means. Some say it refers to incest or rape.
All of the so-called “clobber passages” are quite weak.
And, yes, you have what Paul said right. He was celibate and recommended that if possible, but he recommended marriage for anyone who “burned with passion” for another.
While a new coinage in some respects, Paul was writing a letter here, so it is unlikely that Paul coined it via the letter, but was a known enough term that the readers (the church) would know what it means.
Indeed. I was struggling for a term that would convey this. That’s why I avoid saying that Paul coined the word.
Maybe “previously unattested”.
Interesting article on the split…
You miss my point. I was being ironic. I doubt the Greek source said “men who have sex with men”.
Thanks, @BigT .
That was an interesting insight into the conservative mind from the Kansas lady who complained about the church becoming less of a “big tent” because gay acceptance was an affront to conservatives. Seems to me that the church is becoming more inclusive and conservatives prefer a tiered society.
Yes. The change removed the mandate that required churches and ministers to be unwelcoming to sexual diversity. With the change, each church and each minister decides if they want to be welcoming or not. Those who left could not tolerate tolerance.
Yeah. I guess her message is, “How dare the UMC be intolerant of my wishes to exclude people.”…It’s insane, but her views are representative of a large segment of the population.