…thats all well and good: but what do you want them to say? People have stated that Czarcasm is moderated differently. Who do you think should provide evidence that Czarcasm has been moderated differently? I think that it is just common sense that the people making the accusations should be the ones making the case. It isn’t about “catching Czarcasm doing it.” Its about providing instances where Czarcasm has broken the rules, been reported, and it not being actioned. If you are going to accuse the moderating team (not Czarcasm) of something, you should have at least some evidence to back the accusation up.
But your rule would simply discourage people from commenting on moderator actions in ATMB because if someone found their complaint “unfounded” then that is worthy of a warning.
The very idea of allowing complaints will mean that several will be without merit. If the people who are the subject of complaints can simply decree that some are without merit and hand out warnings for even bringing them then that will stifle dissent.
Maybe that’s the goal, but if it is, just have a rule that says “no complaints about the mods.” How can a person make a complaint without fear of being warned?
…this isn’t “my rule.”
I’m specifically and narrowly addressing the point I made, and the one that you addressed, that Czarcasm is moderated differently. If you want to complain that Czarcasm is moderated differently, but you have no evidence at all that Czarcasm is moderated differently, that is not a well-founded complaint. That complaint is still allowed to be made, and it has been, and the mods addressed it. But at this point it is starting to look pretty obvious there is no great case to be made that Czarcasm is moderated differently. If you feel the complaint is actually valid, feel free to prove it.
If you want to demand that someone make a case to you perhaps that deserves its own thread. As it stands nobody has to prove anything to you, especially not in this thread, which is ultimately not about whether anyone actually receives preferential treatment.
I’ll ask you this then I’ll go back to addressing my concerns to someone who can help me, but do you think there’s a vast conspiracy somewhere to malign Czar for no reason? These accusations, if you will, have hounded him since he stepped down, occasionally by even new posters with no axes to grind (as evidenced by this thread) and others who never fight against the administration. So, WHY??
If they are totally unfounded, why does this persist? And although you’ve brushed off my previous questions, I’ll put it to you again… If the onus is on the using populace to “prove” that he’s junior modding, how exactly are we supposed to go about it? You can’t prove a negative and if he never is reprimanded for it, there’s no way to do so.
And question two… Why isn’t anyone concerned about being accused of bias, in the same exact situation (like I said, it happens now with Der, before it had been Dio), but no one cares. Sure, every once in a while, some bristle at the suggestion that there’s preferential treatment, but in no way or no how is there anything even remotely like this. As a matter of fact, for the most part, they laugh when people say they do that. What’s such the big deal that it appears no one can criticize Czarcasm? Bizarre.
Finally, I’m not sure what you’re investment in all this is. You have almost twice as many posts (or more) as those of us who’ve actually been warned. I understand railing against injustice, but what we have here is a bunch of baffled folks who’d greatly benefit from hearing from the actual PTB on some sort of ruling. You’re just offering unsubstantiated opinions unlike those of us who actually have a stake in this.
[Oprah]
You get a warning! And you get a warning! And you and you and you get a warning! Everyone gets a warning!
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I have a confession: I read the Forbidden Thread of Satire. Not only did I read it but, God help me, I found it amusing.
So where do I report for my re-education sessions and random suspensions?
I’d also like to say the moderators involved in this thread are not idiots. That would be insulting the poster. Instead, I’ll say the moderators’ *posts *are idiotic. Neither are the moderators thin-skinned, humorless cry-babies who abuse their power. But their posts make me think of thin-skinned, humorless cry-babies who abuse their power.
Seriously, the posters who have tried to have sober, thoughtful conversations about the rules have been slapped down. People who approached it with humor have been slapped down. People who reacted with outrage have been slapped down. Ridiculous.
…feel free to do so. I’m not demanding anything. As everyone seems to be in agreement as to the mod actions that took place in the pit thread: I’m simply responding to the questions and comments that people are directing my way.
…Czarcasm was an abrasive and direct moderator, and his posting style is pretty much the same. I’m not claiming conspiracy theory. This really isn’t about Czarcasm at all. Its about the moderators: and the claim that they do not moderate him the same as other posters.
You tell me. Just because a meme persists, doesn’t mean its true.
The onus has to be on the person making the accusation. Isn’t that obvious?
“Czarcasm is junior modding.”
“Can you provide some examples?”
“NO!”
That doesn’t make any sense at all. The moderators cannot action something they don’t know about.
And this isn’t about “junior modding.” The accusation is that Czarcasm is moderated differently. If that is true: then surely you could find some examples of that. And if you can’t: then perhaps the accusations aren’t as true as some people might think.
People are free to criticize Czarcasm in the pit. You know that as well as I do. That criticism cannot cross the line into criticizing the moderators. The latest pit thread obviously and blatantly did that. You can open a thread here in ATMB with examples of Czarcasm breaking the rules and not being moderated and I’m pretty sure that that would be allowed. But if you open a thread here in ATMB to simply rant about Czarcasm’s alleged behaviour then that would be against the rules.
I have as much investment in this thread as I do in any other thread that is posted on this messageboard, and it is offensive for you to claim that I do not have a stake. This messageboard is about fighting ignorance. That is the primary mission. This all started because the claim was made that Czarcasm is moderated differently to other posters. In several different threads this statement is simply assumed to be true, including this thread and the pit thread that preceded this.
But there is no evidence that it is true. And I don’t think that I am wrong to point that out. In fact, in the battle against ignorance, I think that it is important that I do point it out. If you think I am wrong, please feel free to show me how exactly I am wrong.
I have more posts in this thread because I have taken the contrarian view, and people are responding to me, and I am responding to them. This is normal messageboard behaviour. For example in this thread Bricker has more posts than anyone, because he has more people to respond to. This happens all the time. Thanks for the recommendation, but I’ll post in what threads I like, in response to whomever chooses to respond to me, if I have the time, and if it falls within the boundaries of the rules.
Having great difficulty in fathoming or following what has been going on here today. However there’s one thing I’m sure of and that is that I must be a jerk too.
I am a jerk, even though I am British and we do not use jerk in this way.
I am a jerk because I thought the responses to the original apple polisher thread were funny – even though I didn’t spot that it was a parody at first.
I am a jerk because I really don’t care about how Czarcasm is moderated but i am mentioning it anyway.
I am a jerk because I am posting in this thread.
Sure. It’s because he’s abrasive and direct that people accuse him of unior modding. Interesting take though.
Or because it’s true and there no way to prove it, as has been pointed out to you many times.
Unless they do know about it and choose to do nothing. Just as likely as your theory, really, because that makes more sense than posters out to get him because he’s “abrasive and direct.”
Of this we can agree… this isn’t really about Czar at all. But you can’t argue both sides. Just repeating a meme from your end doesn’t make it true either. 
I don’t think anyone has done any of that… no threads here just to criticize him, but to understand moderator action about him. And the catch-22 has also been explained to you repeatedly, so at this point I’m going to have to assume you’re being disingenuous.
Regardless, after this post, I’m done wasting my time with someone who doesn’t have anything to do with all this.
I made no recommendations whatsoever. I couldn’t give a shit’s less difference where you post. I’ve seen you all over most ATMB threads and your desire to be the contrarian against any complaints of the staff has been duly noted. I personally think you should keep it up. It’s been amusing, to say the least.
And just so you know, people are only responding to you because there’s no one else here.
Now, I truly am done with this hijack. To TPTB, I’m not stating any belief in what Czarcasm does or doesn’t do one way or another. Like others, I was simply responding to people that we’re directing comments at me.
…but this has nothing to do with the accusations against the moderators.
Of course there are ways to prove it. How can you claim something with no proof?
I didn’t claim posters were out to get him because he’s abrasive and direct. You asked where the accusations were coming from. I suggest that people have an impression of Czarcasm in their head, that the meme he is moderated differently was started by someone, and that the meme is simply believed because everyone keeps repeating it.
That is much more likely than a bunch of claims with no evidence.
This isn’t about choosing a side.
Which moderator action regarding Czarcasm did you want to discuss?
I have everything to do with this. I’m not going to break the rules though so that I get warned and then “have a stake.” That would be a foolish action.
And this is precisely what I am talking about. I don’t know what Banquet Bear you are talking about, but it most certainly isn’t me. I am not all over ATMB threads defending the mod staff. If you are this wrong about my posts, it isn’t a giant leap to see that you are wrong about someone elses.
Thats nice.
Bye!
I truly have no opinion at all on the Czarcasm debate. None at all.
But if I did, that opinion should be posted in ATMB and whether or not I have a great case or a poor one, it belongs in that thread, whether or not you (or the mods) think it has merit. Let the other posters tell me that I’m full of shit.
I was never made aware that the rule regarding posting about mod actions needed a minimum threshold of veracity first. What are those standards? If it has already been argued? So much for guns, abortion, gay marriage, and pretty much the whole of GD under that standard.
Ironically, do you know what you call people who hold a position of power, and flaunt it and abuse it merely to stroke their own egos? Jerks.
This is like watching a bunch of small-town cops beat the shit out of a group of kids because one of them flipped off the squad car driving by, and then try to justify it by claiming the kids were “disturbing the peace” and “resisting arrest”. In other words, breaking the rules.
I keep forgetting what board I’m on and expecting to see “you have been banned from /r/Pyongyang.” Or “You are now a moderator at /r/Pyongyang”, I’m not sure which.
No, it wasn’t.
Great call by Marley.
If you’re happy with this just turning into another snarkboard, that is. But then it would be kind of meta.
How’d you like them apples?
This is the thread, right? FWIW, I had no idea the thread even had anything to do with the moderation on this board, and I still couldn’t tell you who Sam, Bell, or anyone else is representing. Maybe I’m in the minority there.
Ban the fucking lot of them, the constant badgering of Czarcasm by the same few posters is nothing but a boring RO witchhunt.