The Moller fucking Skycar? How is this news?

Hyperbole? In The Pit? :eek: I’m shocked! Shocked, I say!

Pretty much, though I look at helicopters as more like flying motorcycles. They’re fun and maneuverable, but of limited utility. (But they’re very good when it comes to their unique capabilities. Oh, BTW: You need permission from the owner to land on private property.) Fixed-wing aircraft aren’t quite as good as helicopters for poortal-to-portal travel, but they can get you close and can carry more people and luggage.

You don’t need a full time pilot. You can fly yourself! :cool: And you don’t need a full time mechanic. You can do oil changes and lubrication yourself. You will have to take the machine to an A&P for the Annual Inspections (and 100-hour inspections if you’re using it in commercial service – rental, sightseeing, etc.), and for the 2,000 hour rebuild. But how long does it take to rack up 2,000 hours? Could be years.

But yeah, you not only need a stack of blank checks; you also need a bank account or income to back them up! When I learned to fly (fixed-wings) my dad rented me his Cessna 172 for $33/hour. That covered fuel, oil, insurance, and a percentage of the maintenance. At the time 172s were renting for about $65/hour. In Bellingham now they’re renting for $95/hour. I’m guessing – and this is only a guess – that it probably costs about $50/hour to operate the aircraft. When I started flying Robinsons, they cost $180/hour. According to information I received from Robinson Helicopters, the operating cost at the time was $90/hour. So I think a ballpark figure is that rental rates are somewhere around twice the operating costs. So if you own your own R-22, it’s not that expinsive to fly it 9when you consider you have the wherewithal to own it in the first place).

For flying between the islands I flew San Juan Air from Bellingham to Orcas for $35 in a Cessna 206. A 172 or 150 might be a viable option for getting around up here. There appears to be seaplane parking at the southern end of Lake Washington, so island hopping in a 172 float plane is possible and much cheaper than by helicopter. (Incidentally, there’s a 172 on floats in Bellingham for sale on eBay right now.)

But back to airplanes and helicopters as flying cars. As you said, helicopters are about as close as you can reasonably get to a ‘flying car’ (or, IMO, flying motorcycle). A fixed-wing aircraft such as a Cessna or a Piper will get you reasonably close to your destination (usually closer than if you were to fly on an airline), do it faster, carry more people and/or gear, and do it more cheaply.

Which is why I’m getting ready to get back into fixed-wings instead of helicopters.

The Register has picked up on the story too - Moller touts flying-saucer hovercar, again - Skycar - it blows

He has also been fined by the SEC.

Perhaps the BBC should hire some researchers?

Or a pogo stick - It’s approximately as stable and airworthy.

I have only one thing to say to you - Segway.

KSL in Salt Lake City had this as a news item tonight.

The report said that they would be available within 10 years for purchase and no pilot’s license is necessay - if you don’t fly above 10 feet.

That ought to go over real well in the gullible State of Utah.

A few individuals are working on flying motorcycles; I saw one at a US Patent Office open house a few years back.

What’s Moller claiming the price will be? A hundred kilobucks? Let’s just look at Cessna 172s under $50,000

Okay, I see an '83 for $43K. It’s due for overhaul in about 160 hours, but even with the OH it will be cheaper than the Moller. And there’s a '77 for $49.9K with only 300 hours on it SMOH. Seventeen-hundred hours until the next one. That’s a lot of flying. For $24,000 you can get a '56 with only 303 hours SMOH (1,697 remaining) and a fresh Annual. There are 62 C-172s to choose from under $50K. And that’s just one model from one manufacturer. There are 61 150s/152s between $17,000 and $40,000. And then there are Pipers, Beechcraft, Maule, Ercoupe (which was designed without rudder pedals so as to be ‘car-like’ – although many have had rudder pedals installed), Grumman, Bellanca, Mooney… Too many to list here, and in any price range.

‘But wait!’ Mr. Consumer says, ‘Those airplanes are pretty old! I see 20-year-old cars, and they’re falling apart!’ Ah, but aircraft aren’t cars are they? Since they’re made of aluminum they don’t rust. They are inspected annually or every 100 hours for corrosion, they are subject to Airworthiness Directives so that they remain safe, you can get all the latest electronics, and airframe and powerplant designs haven’t changed all that much over the last 50+ years. And old airplane, properly maintained, is just as good as a new one. Oh, and many older aircraft can be run on MOGAS – automotive gasoline.

‘But I can’t take an airplane to the office!’ So? The Moller flies at ten feet. You think you’re going to avoid traffic? Where are you going to go at ten feet? :dubious: An airplane can avoid traffic! And it will get you close to the office. I worked with a guy who lived in Big Bear, CA and commuted 100 miles to Orange in his '66 Piper Cherokee 140. He landed at Fullerton and it was just a few miles to the office. People are always complaining about small airports, but they’re very handy.

‘But I have to have a license!’ Look: If you want to operate a vehicle, you should bloody well know how. You may think you’re a good driver, but if you don’t care about training then maybe you’re not as good as you think. Besides, flying will make you a better driver. As any pilot and he’ll tell you that pilots are naturally better drivers. :wink:

‘Yeah, but a SkyCar uses computers to fly!’ Uh-huh. And suppose those computers run on Microsoft platforms? :eek:

In SUV threads I’ve said that one should choose the proper vehicle for the mission. So what’s the mission you want to accomplish? ‘I want a SkyCar to avoid traffic. I don’t want stop lights. I want to go faster than I can go in a car.’ Well? Airplanes avoid traffic. They don’t have stop lights. Speed limits below 10,000 feet in a piston-powered aircraft are 200 knots. Fast enough for you?

And you can get an airplane today, not in four years or ten years or 50 years. And used ones are cheaper than what Moller is proposing. Some new airplanes are cheaper than Moller’s stated (and probably inaccurate) price. Airplanes make better airplanes than ‘flying cars’. Cars (you can buy one and keep it at the airport you use most often) are better cars than ‘flying cars’. And if you want a flying car because it wouldn’t require a pilot’s license (yeah, right) then you don’t belong in the air in any vehicle. As I like to say of a world where the average schmo can buy a flying car [Klingon voice]:

‘The carnage would be glorious!

[sub]We know Johnny.[/sub] Or at least most of us on the SDMB do.

How many of us have emailed the BBC about the farce they reported on?

I did.

Screw flying cars. I want to jump into a giant tube and be sucked across the city to my destination.

Nostalgic, huh? Scotty beam me outta here…

I want to ride a giant conveyor belt! :slight_smile:

Wait a minute, I’m having trouble following this. What does receiving oral sex during your commute have to do with giant tubes? :wink: