[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness]
How many public general art museums have you been to recently?
Daniel
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Public art displays in the past year. 5. They weren’t in dedicated art museums though.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Public art displays in the past year. 5. They weren’t in dedicated art museums though.
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So the answer to my question is zero, which indicates you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. You’d certainly be unfit to be a principal, and if you approved a visit to an art museum without having visited one, you’d be an idiot.
Daniel
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
It couln’t be a problem EVER unless you are an imbecile.
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The teacher is quite an imbecile to think that nothing could come of this. As are those that are suprised that it is even an issue.
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness]
So the answer to my question is zero, which indicates you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. You’d certainly be unfit to be a principal, and if you approved a visit to an art museum without having visited one, you’d be an idiot.
Daniel
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I’m sure that the principal is feeling as such. But the teacher took the fall. And surely you aren’t naive enough to believe that they haven’t taken falls before while principals remain relatively unscathed.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
The teacher is quite an imbecile to think that nothing could come of this. As are those that are suprised that it is even an issue.
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Actually, i’m going to agree with you to a certain extent here.
Anyone who lives in Texas and who discounts the possibility of reactionary idiocy and retarded intellectual capacity, or who expresses surprise when those things come to the surface, is clearly either stupid or new to the state.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
I’m sure that the principal is feeling as such. But the teacher took the fall. And surely you aren’t naive enough to believe that they haven’t taken falls before while principals remain relatively unscathed.
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Once more: if a teacher is not sure whether an activity is appropriate, her job, her duty, is to run the idea by the principal. If the principal says that the activity is appropriate, the teacher’s ass is covered. If the teacher does not check with the principal, her ass is not covered. It’s very simple.
If the principal slimes out of it, the principal is being unprofessional and unethical.
Yes, I recognize that there are unethical people in the world. That doesn’t mean that it’s not outrageous when it occurs.
Daniel
[QUOTE=wring]
where on earth do you live?
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I live somewhere where most 5th grade teachers have more sense than to expose 5th grade students to nude art without parental permission. ie., the real world
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Public art displays in the past year. 5. They weren’t in dedicated art museums though.
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exactly my point from above. public art displays are often, as I mentioned before, a showing of a particular artist or a particular medium or style. at a public art display of “still lifes”, it would be distinctly odd to see a nude.
however, an art museum by it’s very nature, would have various periods of art exhibited, various mediums and stlyes and I would find it distinctly surprising if there weren’t at least a few nudes displayed.
[QUOTE=wring]
The Statue of David, one of the worlds most recognizable pieces of art is a nude.
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Forget David. The fucking SISTINE CHAPEL is full of nudes.
For the uncultured, the ‘chapel’ there isn’t some sort of ironic joke. The Sistine Chapel is a church. A church adorned with breasts and penes. A lot of them. But we all know Vatican City is a bastion of sexual immorality and immodesty.
[QUOTE=mhendo]
Actually, i’m going to agree with you to a certain extent here.
Anyone who lives in Texas and who discounts the possibility of reactionary idiocy and retarded intellectual capacity, or who expresses surprise when those things come to the surface, is clearly either stupid or new to the state.
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Or, as in this case, perfectally normal reactions by parents even given local sensibilities even.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
I live somewhere where most 5th grade teachers have more sense than to expose 5th grade students to nude art without parental permission. ie., the real world
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That is so absurd, I don’t even know how to respond to it. I have visited a local art museum recently, as part of a class on teaching art to elementary school students. In this conservative Appalachian county (the city may be liberal, but the county is not, and the county sends students to this museum), there was not only nude statuary and paintings, there was a huge photograph of a woman’s naked pubic area. The docent said that some elementary classrooms asked for certain areas of the museum ot be off-limits for their students–especially private and homeschool groups–but others allowed students to see all the art. She said that there had never been a problem with it.
THAT is the real world, not your ignorant construction of it.
Daniel
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
I live somewhere where most 5th grade teachers have more sense than to expose 5th grade students to nude art without parental permission. ie., the real world
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odd then, 'cause, I, too, live in the 'real world" and I find it astonishing that folks who would be upset at their 5th graders seeing nude statues at an art museum wouldn’t have the sense to forbid the visit.
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness]
She said that there had never been a problem with it.
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Yet. I imagine that one could certainly be looming though.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Or, as in this case, perfectally normal reactions by parents even given local sensibilities even.
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It is not a “normal” reaction given that there has been exactly one complaint out of visits by around a thousand kids.
That makes it a rare case, even of it could be expected.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Contrapuntal brought up the nude bathing bit. Teachers simply don’t show fifth graders naked pictures or statues. If this is truly an accident, then all should be forgiven. I suppose that you think that deliberating exposing fifth graders to nude pictures or statues is fine? I think that would put in a contrary position to many parents in the state of Texas.
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And not that long ago it having the students (well at least the boys) take a “mass nude bath” wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow. When I was in third grade I went on a class trip to an art museum. There was a replica of a Greek statue of a male nude. When a kid asked about it the teacher explained that “that’s just what the ancient Greeks did”. THere was no scandal. Nobody was fired. This was in rural PA.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Or, as in this case, perfectally normal reactions by parents even given local sensibilities even.
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There has only been one complaint out of thousands of parents, so it doesn’t appear that there’s anything normative about it (the fact that’s abnormally hysterical and irrational goes without saying).
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Nude art != immorality. It doesn’t even equal sexuality. :rolleyes:
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That really depends on the art IMO. Now I don’t think that what happened here is that big of deal. But I understand and accept that others would. And I’m not suprised by it. Or particularly offended either when exception is taken.
I should add the some of the material in my elementary school’s library had nude pictures. Including National Geographic, art books, encyclopedias, etc. In sunday school our childrens’ Bibles had Adam and Eve naked (no frontals) as well as Noah.
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
It is not a “normal” reaction given that there has been exactly one complaint out of visits by around a thousand kids.
That makes it a rare case, even of it could be expected.
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So these thousand kids were taken by this one teacher? Or was it one in a single class that complained?
[QUOTE=alphaboi867]
In sunday school our childrens’ Bibles had Adam and Eve naked (no frontals) as well as Noah.
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You saw all ther asses? No fig leaves or nothing?