Agreement there. “Go and take the land of the Canaanites, and kill as many of them as you can while you do it” does not settle well with “I am The God of Love.”
Why are you changing the subject? I have no idea who actually wrote various books of scripture, although I presume that the authors were human.
I simply find your persistent claim that we have “proof” about something for which you have not even provided evidence, much less proof, to be a a silly claim for The Straight Dope.
Default assumptions are fine. In this case they agree with my views so they are probably correct. 
I simply find repeated references to “proof” when we have not even seen evidence, (generally followed by some claim that is based on the supposed “proof”) to be a worthless claim–the more irritating because the error it embodies has been pointed out on numerous occasions. Given the antipathy with which you responded to many of lekatt’s “proofs,” it is amusing to find you defending the claim of monavis in this situation.
That’s the beauty of it and that is the Love of God.
I still contend that one is just taking the word or ideas of some other human and that is proof if the writers were indeed human. belief that humans were inspired by God is belief that the person who says God inspired something is no different that a woman who kills her children because God told her to as she believed. There are many people even today who state that God tells them something and we take it as just belief.
How do you know it is the love of God? That is just your belief. According to the Bible God’s way of showing he loves all people doesn’t ring true. Picking out some people saving them and killing the rest of one’s children doesn’t sound like Love to me. If a human parent loves all it’s children than it would treat them all the same, if of course that being knows a head of time if it’s child is going to suffer for all eternity or harm others and stills creates them anyway,
Just as God should have known Satan would be evil,or his children would disobey him even before they were created.
The fact that they are written down is enough evidence…or at least it would be if this wasn’t religion we were talking about. If I were to go to an historian and ask for evidence that the Declaration of Independence was written by humans and not aliens she would laugh in my face. If I were to go to Cambridge and ask if there was evidence that humans composed the Magna Carta uninfluenced by otherworldly entities laughter would be heard up and down the halls. Eve iff my first wife had had a settlement written up that she said was directed by God, I wouldn’t bother to ask her lawyer for evidence that the document he wrote up wasn’t dictated by The Lord Almighty.
In all three cases, the fact that there is no evidence to the contrary is evidence enough to make the default assumption that humans have sole responsibility for said documents.
Cite please (I would actually be interested in trying to do this )
Have you even tried this, you may be shocked if you did, um again I mean cite please
(you need to get out more IMHO :smack: It’s GD is it not IMHO )
My response to this last part is then if your interpretation of this parent does not lead you to feel it is a parent of total love then perhaps this is not the work you should be searching in. , If you feel this is a bad parent, then it is not a god for you to consider worth of your love.
Your description of the ‘god’ you interpreted from the bible does not match mine. I would not worship your god either that you derived from your biblical studies. So I fault you not, the god you describe sounds horrible, satanic, and not so nice - I may be running to the atheistic hills too in that case.
Again perhaps the Bible is not the best place then for you to find out about Love.
There are many theologians who hold that the Declaration of Independence was inspired by God…
However, even granting all you say here, it doesn’t go as far as to justify a claim that the authorship by humans only is proven. “Proof” is very different from “A lack of evidence to the contrary.”
I think most of us here agree completely that the Bible, Torah, Koran, Book of Mormon, Elder Edda, Bhavagad Gita, etc. were written only my people, without any intervention from the gods. But…it isn’t “proven” because it cannot be. The claim is more along the lines of “nonsense” or “not even wrong.”
Prove that Barack Obama is not the Antichrist. It’s a stupid, stupid thing for anyone to claim (ETA: either way!)…but it is beyond anyone’s power to prove.
Yes, the Bible isn’t a place to find out about Love, but you use the Bible for your beliefs or you got the idea of a God from another human.
It still boils down to the fact that, one believes in another human beings thoughts or writings.
I totally agree.
I just quibble at your use of one particular word, “proven,” which I think is not valid.
(Very, very few of my beliefs are on such firm ground that I would consider them “proven.”)
Do you believe that the writers were not human beings? Isn’t it that we believe in the humans that said God said or inspired certain things? Was the Koran inspired? How does one “Know” that God said or did anything.
Again you are jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions, Your first statement should read something more like this:
Yes Kanicbird you are right, for me the Bible isn’t a place to find out about Love** but accept that some may find Love there while I can not**, **I made the erroneous assumption based on my need to maintain my own belief system **that for your beliefs or you got the idea of a God from another human, and I admit that my own beliefs limit the explanations I can accept from others. So I usually fall back on these points even when they don’t apply
Your welcome
I don’t think anyone has ever proven it, nor can they. The standards of proof go beyond ordinary common knowledge.
I know that Barack Obama is not a secret alien from another galaxy. But I can’t prove it.
No one can possibly “know” whether or not God said something. The only evidence is sketchy, subjective, and usually third-hand or worse.
This is all about one specific word, which you used improperly. Let’s not turn this into a persecution.
You have every right to your thinking,but since you can’t prove other wise and since the writers and teachers are human, and you are also human, You can believe anything you wish. Belief is not fact until proven otherwise.
Your argument counters your position, mine is not countered by it, but still can exist in that constraint.
The problem you have is you are operating under a unprovable assumption (default position) and adopting it as proven fact. This is a function of faith, it is not fact. It is your faith, your belief that is it a fact that man(kind) has written everything we have, and that has you limited as to what you can accept from others, falling back on a few tired arguments that don’t even apply. You like to place people in boxes, but even if you faith is one day proven fact it still does not conflict with mine.
My counter, even if I accept your default assumption as fact, is that it’s still a work of God because man is God’s child, and God’s child and can not help doing ‘god’ things in oneness with God - the act of creation is god thru man and being one with man. So even if your default assumption comes out to be proven fact it still does not counter my position (though it does limit it and rules out things like angels and aliens helping us.)
But I don’t accept your assumption that all works we have were are proven fact created my humans.
Without being able to prove your statement of faith your later contention also fails (that all my teachers and writers are human unless some of them have wings and fly around the heavens i.e man is god which is my faith):
“Not my will, but thy will be done.”
If God and Jesus had different wills, how can they be one?
My take is we are only are one with God in the emotion of Love. Jesus being a ‘child’ did express some forms of not wanting to go through with this, because He was also human. But ultimately in Love Jesus requested here to override His free will even of self preservation to be one with God and forsake being apart and a individual.
It is a trust in God so deeply that a person can say ‘God take over as I know I can only mess this one up on my own’ because I know who I am and know I need you at this time to stay one with you and I trust you’.