The mystery of the trinity

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@buddha_david

Actually, I was agreeing with you. But yes, I’d like a cookie anyway, please.

Even constraining this discourse to the Bible as a fictional narrative, just look at the score. Who destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah, in a conflagration so vast that merely looking at it would transform someone into a pillar of salt? Angels. Who slaughtered all the first born children of Egypt in a single night? Angels. (In fact, just one angel.) Who broke the seven seals, sounded the seven trumpets, and poured the seven bowls upon mankind, rendering the entire planet lifeless? Angels.

Countering that, what were the worst things Satan & his legion of demons ever did? Made a bunch of pigs jump off a cliff? Oooh, so scary.

Yeah…I’ll side with angels over demons, any time.

Using example, I’d rather side with the good guys.

[kanicbird]

@buddha_david

Actually, I was agreeing with you. But yes, I’d like a cookie anyway, please.

Even constraining this discourse to the Bible as a fictional narrative, just look at the score. Who destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah, in a conflagration so vast that merely looking at it would transform someone into a pillar of salt? Angels. Who slaughtered all the first born children of Egypt in a single night? Angels. (In fact, just one angel.) Who broke the seven seals, sounded the seven trumpets, and poured the seven bowls upon mankind, rendering the entire planet lifeless? Angels.

Countering that, what were the worst things Satan & his legion of demons ever did? Made a bunch of pigs jump off a cliff? Oooh, so scary.

Yeah…I’ll side with angels over demons, any time.

Let’s talk about your first one, the destruction of Sodom. Lot’s wife looked back and was turned into a piller of salt.

What does a pillar mean scriptural? and what does salt mean? My research has revealed it is only used in reference to a person that God has glorified and to help and lead others. Never has it been used to mean death. But please state you case on this.

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@kanicbird

What does a pillar mean scriptural? and what does salt mean? My research has revealed it is only used in reference to a person that God has glorified and to help and lead others. Never has it been used to mean death.

Oh, no-you don’t get to drop a bomb like that into the conversation without citing something. Where did you get the idea that God turning Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt was some sort of honor?

[kanicbird]

@Czarcasm

Oh, no-you don’t get to drop a bomb like that into the conversation without citing something. Where did you get the idea that God turning Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt was some sort of honor?

It was never ‘not’ a honor. Jesus said "you are the salt of the earth’, ‘I will make you a pillar in my temple’, the Israelite followed a pillar of fire out of the land of slavery. Those terms were never used in scriptures to mean death.

Also a aside did Lot do ‘good’ as he ended up impregnating his 2 daughters and lived out the rest of his life in a cave, does that seem like the will of God?

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@kanicbird

It was never ‘not’ a honor. Jesus said "you are the salt of the earth’, ‘I will make you a pillar in my temple’, the Israelite followed a pillar of fire out of the land of slavery. Those terms were never used in scriptures to mean death.

Those are figures of speech! He wasn’t saying that becoming NaCl was a goal we should strive for, or telling us to literally hold up the temple walls with our bodies. :smack::smack::smack:

[kanicbird]

@Czarcasm

Those are figures of speech! He wasn’t saying that becoming NaCl was a goal we should strive for, or telling us to literally hold up the temple walls with our bodies. :smack::smack::smack:

Why would you assume otherwise for Lot’s wife (my contention is she lead the people out of Sodom not that she was turned to NaCl)

Why would you give Lot the nod knowing how he ended up

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@kanicbird

Why would you assume otherwise for Lot’s wife (my contention is she lead the people out of Sodom not that she was turned to NaCl)

Why would you give Lot the nod knowing how he ended up

Again I ask-what research lead you to make these off-kilter assumptions? What cites support this alternate version of the flight and the fate of Lot’s wife?

[kanicbird]

Going further on Sodom’s case it is clear that God was so willing to save Sodom given the conversation with Abraham, God gave Abraham every request he made, still Abraham was still very hesitant and eventually gave up (at 10 righteous people). We see how willing God is to save those people (also the people of Niniva (Jonah)),why would anyone expect a tri omni God not to have a person to save the people ?

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@kanicbird

Going further on Sodom’s case it is clear that God was so willing to save Sodom given the conversation with Abraham, God gave Abraham every request he made, still Abraham was still very hesitant and eventually gave up (at 10 righteous people). We see how willing God is to save those people (also the people of Niniva (Jonah)),why would anyone expect a tri omni God not to have a person to save the people ?

I’m not asking you to expand on your musings-I’m asking you to cite them.

[kanicbird]

@Czarcasm

Again I ask-what research lead you to make these off-kilter assumptions? What cites support this alternate version of the flight and the fate of Lot’s wife?

My contention is other every of bit of scripture never defines salt or pillar as a death sentence but many cases can be made that both are direct glorification by God.

And ultimately 2 scriptures apply:
1 - Scriptures can not be broken
2 - God is Love

Those are my defining elements of scriptures, meaning if you are not seeing a loving God you have it wrong by default. Love is the key to unlock the scriptures (and every other work)

[kanicbird]

@Czarcasm

I’m not asking you to expand on your musings-I’m asking you to cite them.

I have although I didn’t look up book, chapter and verse as I believe them to be common knowledge.

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@kanicbird

My contention is other every of bit of scripture never defines salt or pillar as a death sentence but many cases can be made that both are direct glorification by God.

And ultimately 2 scriptures apply:
1 - Scriptures can not be broken
2 - God is Love

Those are my defining elements of scriptures, meaning if you are not seeing a loving God you have it wrong by default. Love is the key to unlock the scriptures (and every other work)

I know your contention, and I don’t need you to repeat it. You said you reached these conclusions through research: Who and/or what did you research to reach your conclusions?

[Trinopus]

@kanicbird

It was never ‘not’ a honor. Jesus said "you are the salt of the earth’, ‘I will make you a pillar in my temple’, the Israelite followed a pillar of fire out of the land of slavery. Those terms were never used in scriptures to mean death. . . .

I was listening to a Bible radio show yesterday that engaged in some stretchers of this variety. They were arguing that the Passover events – specifically the marks of blood on the vertical and horizontal beams of the doorways, to direct the angel of death away from the firstborn of the Children of Israel – pointed to the Crucifixion. Vertical and horizontal beams of wood, right? How could it possibly not refer to the cross?

Except… It didn’t. This is a silly interpretation. And, I’m sorry to say, yours is similarly stretched. You’re trying to hard to match up cases of the uses of words. Does every single use of the word “thorn” in the Bible refer to Jesus, because he wore a crown of thorns?

This is simply not a productive nor meaningful approach to Bible study.

The warning example of Harold Camping should never be forgotten. He used a similar approach…and it led him into stunning folly. (And Camping was actually one of the nicer Bible literalists!)

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@kanicbird

I have although I didn’t look up book, chapter and verse as I believe them to be common knowledge.

So you didn’t research at all, did you?

[kanicbird]

@Trinopus

I was listening to a Bible radio show yesterday that engaged in some stretchers of this variety. They were arguing that the Passover events – specifically the marks of blood on the vertical and horizontal beams of the doorways, to direct the angel of death away from the firstborn of the Children of Israel – pointed to the Crucifixion. Vertical and horizontal beams of wood, right? How could it possibly not refer to the cross?

Except… It didn’t. This is a silly interpretation.

I have heard this also and I agree with you.

But can you explain a ‘pillar of salt’ being a punishment? and the person who survived (supposedly doing the will of God) ending up on a cave impregnating his daughters? And that a all powerful God seemed so willing to save the people of Sodam, given the questioning of Abraham?

And does it ultimately agree with ‘God is Love’, which my contention is how scriptures should be interpreted?

[kanicbird]

@Czarcasm

So you didn’t research at all, did you?

Does 3 year studying Scriptures count?

[Czarcasm]

1. God said “Don’t look back, or else!”
2. She looked back.
3. Else!

What is so damn hard for you to comprehend here?

[kanicbird]

@Czarcasm

1. God said “Don’t look back, or else!”
2. She looked back.
3. Else!

What is so damn hard for you to comprehend here?

Cite on 1 please

[Czarcasm]

@kanicbird

Does 3 year studying Scriptures count?

Apparently not, if you can’t remember which books, or even which authors, you used for study references.

[kanicbird]

@Czarcasm

Apparently not, if you can’t remember which books, or even which authors, you used for study references.

Cite on 1 please