you can keep twisting the interpretation, but it does not fit with the biblical narrative.
Which is the problem you keep trying to solve - “God is love, scripture is perfect” is an oxymoron at best.
I am going by the book you believe is the word of God and are taking the word of some other human. I don’t care one way or the other if you agree or not I do not consider you any more an authority about Supreme Being than I do. No one in truth ca say anything about what God wants, says or does. Your beliefs (and that is what they are) are yours and yiu have every right to believe what you do, Belief is not fact no matter how you want it to be.
Too late to edit but you get the idea.
I never said that scripture is perfect - I said they can not be broken, there is a big difference. I could use the phrase it is perfect in it’s imperfection, which would be true, but the imperfections are teaching tools would be my better explanation.
Scripture is a teaching tool that helps one develop the heart of the student, to question things like if God is Love then why the destruction of Sodom, why is the common interpretation of the ‘god of the OT’ so evil, so one would seek out the answers. And also more importantly reject the ‘god of the OT’ as unworthy, and to seek a God who is.
In the same way I contend that Lot’s wife questioned the command of the angels.
It is the stepping out in faith and love that God wants but only when the child is ready, not us to take the bible as ‘perfect’ (Jesus commented on something very similar). To me at least that is the way God used the scripture in my life.
Since I have been questioned for some times I just want to state my starting premises that I am basing my replies on:
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- God is Love always, if God is not Love then God is not worth anything and nothing matters, so all other answers to this question don’t matter, and the only solution is God is Love always. So the only God worth acknowledging is a God of Love.
1 - The Bible is nothing special, as every act of creation (including every religious text) is a work of God, and the Bible states it as such. So the Bible is not elevated over other works.
- God is Love always, if God is not Love then God is not worth anything and nothing matters, so all other answers to this question don’t matter, and the only solution is God is Love always. So the only God worth acknowledging is a God of Love.
2 - The Bible and other works is a teaching tool, made to be used with God’s help, but that applies to every work of creation
3 - God desired to dwell with man in the flesh of man, that means in man’s works there will be aspects of God and aspects of man mixed together.
4 - Man(kind) is God’s children and can’t help but doing god things because of their nature and oneness with God.
5- It is possible to discern what is of God and what is of man in any work, including the Bible, by interpretation of the work given a loving God (always) and mankind who may have some other motive. This is because of who we are (children of God).
6 With this discernment we can tell in any work what aspect is from God and what is from man. It also allows us to questing things that don’t agree with other acts of God’s Love demonstrated such as:
Act of Love: God says someone is the salt of the earth (Glorification)
Act of Love: God makes someone a pillar in His temple (Glorification)
What act of Love comes from making Lott’s wife a pillar of salt, My answer glorification, any other answer given negates a God of Love.
Once a act of Love has been established it is a characteristic of God (as God is Love and God is one, and God is indivisible all love is God, even Love in man(kind). But if a act is not of Love, it is not of God by of man’'s nature (mankind’s nature).
This fits into the mystery of the trinity, God of Love desires to dwell in the flesh of man, even with man’s sometimes unloving aspects, but in Love they are one with each other. And that is how you can tell what parts of the Bible are of God and what parts are of man alone. IMHO
(Please take ‘man’ as ‘mankind’)
A religious view so fragile that it dare not touch reality lest it shatter into a thousand pieces.
This I felt I should address directly. Your statement here is in my world is of demonic origin and can be rejected outright. Not that you are demonic (as you are a child of God), but it is evident for this that I have upset some high level demon somewhere (‘My feet hurt and my pack is wet, what else is new’ :D).
It is the equivalent of the Wizard of OZ stating to the Dorthy’s group ‘don’t pay any attention to that man behind the curtain’. It is so blatantly obvious as such. And my answer is that is not your decision to make, thank God. If you can prove your statement otherwise please do, specifically this:
Which I totally reject based you have not establishing any authority what so ever in prevent it.
Or in SDMB talk cite please
What you stated is not in the spirit of Love and is not of God and can be safely ignored, knowing God decides, not Trinopus. I can continue on the path of Love that God has shown me with this being irrelevant and a attempted distraction to my path.
I seek to shatter both religion and conventional view of reality so fragile into a thousand pieces.
Does not compute with all your ‘rules’ about your God view -
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1 - The Bible is nothing special, as every act of creation (including every religious text) is a work of God, and the Bible states it as such. So the Bible is not elevated over other works.
2 - The Bible and other works is a teaching tool, made to be used with God’s help, but that applies to every work of creation
5- It is possible to discern what is of God and what is of man in any work, including the Bible, by interpretation of the work given a loving God (always) and mankind who may have some other motive. This is because of who we are (children of God)…
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Which 1 and 3 conflict with each other as well.
Does it if not everything is a act of creations but could be a act of repetition?
non-sequitor - you cannot repeat something that has not been created.
I believe not, please continue?
If its being repeated - the original thing was created.
Every act of repetition - is a new thing - there fore it is created.
If it was never created - it cannot be repeated.
I see where you are getting at, but it is a mater of semantics, or at least deception.
I could say that ‘I created’ ‘God is Love’ and combined 2 things to ‘create’ 3rd, but all I did was copy and place out of context for the purpose of deception 2 things.
So in my humanness I have created nothing
In the God sense (in the sense of Love), I did create, a lesson of how to interpreter what I have said, that God is Love and I did not create that.
So yes and no
It isn’t I who prevent your publication in any respected theological journal. You have to know I don’t have that kind of power. I don’t even know your real name; how could I conceivably persuade editors not to accept papers from you? You’re descending into paranoia.
Your publication in any respectable theological journal is implausible because of the grotesquely absurd nature of the claims you make here.
non-sequitor
a) you said God created everything - full stop.
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as every act of creation (including every religious text) is a work of God
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b) in the act of combining two things - you created a third thing - regaurdless of your intent.
c) If your intent is deception with your creation - and if ‘God’ creates everything (thru you or anytyhing else) then God created deception.
d) deception is never love. God hates deception and lies (look it up, its in your unbreakable scripture).
Stepping back from the baseless speculation part of this thread now.
Not most New Testament Bibles, just the Red Letter Editions and, according to this Wiki article
Or perhaps calling you out in your megalomania, since you stated it and I called you out on it, stating powers I know you don’t possess, and you later admit you don’t possess.
Pretty cut and dry here please don’t try to blame shift, it’s not going to work.
I fully pick up what you are putting down here. For instance even if every word you ever speak was spoken before, because you used them in a unique combination you have created something i.e. God.
That is part of the nature of the ‘trinity’, or perhaps more descriptive God with us, dwelling in us as part of us.
This also ties into the nature of the Bible and every other work…
Since God dwells in us and with us, what is God’s part and what is man’s part? God’s part is anything intended in Love (as everything Love is God, as God is Love) This btw is also one with humans as part of the oneness of God in us, one spirit, etc. But what about stuff not done in love, but of human nature, is that not too a creation. Yes, but what is it’s purpose. that goes back to the intent of who created the work. If it is a human (god child) and not done in Love it is used by Love (God) to teach and instruct (the reason why the scriptures state they are good for instruction).
So yes combining things together can create something new, but God’s part in this, why it is allowed is to teach what is love and what is not. So the combining as a act of creation is still God, but the deception remains as a teaching tool, and the reason God allowes it.
So - Hitler - was part of the trinity and everything he did was part of God’s loving plan to teach us something about love.
God needs to think this thru.