A bit further on this, and after a shower and some time to muse on it, and in to how it applies to my faith. What you said basically is don’t ever try as no one will accept it.
In the terms that God does dwell in human flesh (part of the trinity) and also we are God’s children and God is the parent. With the way you stated that, it in the way a ‘bad’ parent would speak to its child. Such as ‘you will never achieve’ etc. This form of discouragement has been plaguing humanity for far too long. Too many children have been told they are worthless, and each one of those statements is a lie - as it applies to children it also applies to everyone.
It also shows us the power we are given, even adult to adult we can still take the parent to child role (and that is where much abuse of power is). You tried to make a statement to discourage me, and if I didn’t recognize the source I may have accepted it and gave up. But knowing that God is Love always, I recognized your statement as false (even thought you can claim your unique statement is a act of creation and therefore a act of God I reply it is only allowed to be created by God for the purpose of my learning.
The same with scriptures, man wrote it and God dwelt withing man, man had his purpose and God His. It was not allowed because of the lesser purpose but the greater.
God desires none of His Children to be lost and God is perfect and God planned everything out before He created the world. (all in scriptures - well including Satan as a child of God not so much be that’s why I put that space between these 2 sentences. )
Then God is not love - he’s a sadist and evil - there is no valid lesson to be learned by allowing the things he has - even moreso if he “planned the whole thing” and isn’t simply allowing free will, etc to affect things.
Wait - I just want to be sure I understand what you’re saying.
God is love.
God created everything - everything that is created came from god.
God planned every event in advance.
God planned for Hitler (and a host of other examples, even those straight form his perfect, unbreakable scripture) and genocides, murders, cancer babies, hurricanes, floods (worldwide even!) etc.
God planned all this so that we would learn a lesson to step in to faith/love to oppose the evil that he so perfectly planned.
Evil is proof that “God is love” because God created evil to prove that God is love?
These types of passages seem to show that the God of Abraham if it is like written could not know the future, would have no reason to kill innocent babies. or regret creating humans that the he knew would turn out bad, or even create a evil demon and let it destroy his children. If I knew ahead of time any of my children would grow to be a monster, I would not have that child to begin with.So either that God is not just or loving as written.and seems to want evil to exist.
If God wants to know if his child is ready then he doesn’t know all things as believed by many, and is not as good as many of his creations. He seems (as you put it) to get his jollies out of other’s suffering and is a cruel Monster.He even kills poor animals who could not sin if they wanted to! It sounds insulting to a Supreme Being, who is all knowing ,All loving and all Just.
You are missing a critical part, that God has the power to split reality so that what one experiences is not what another does. If you are ready to have Love in your heart and be a child of Love He gives you a different reality, if not you remain ‘behind’, only suffering what you have caused yourself, nothing more, and also limited by what is needed for you to realize that there is another way.
I accept the offer of forgiveness and I thank you for it- there was a personal issue in there.
But as for your claim, someone has to be right, and conventional reasoning is not always correct, see ‘science’ for multiple examples of overturning conventional thinking by new radical ideas as proof that it can happen - and it will (using the ‘witnessing’ allowance affording to me in GD)
Don’t know. My 3 years was without other human input, the reason (from God) I got was because I (God) wanted to teach you directly without man’s corruption of them.
So perhaps it is 3 years of being instructed directly by God compared to 60 yrs of being taught by man.
In many ways it was the most horrible time in my life.
God is raising a child (who is given free will), perhaps it’s more appropriate for the child to know, a challenge met helps the child know who he/she is and what they are capable of.
YOu really want me to have to look up the stoning of Stephan and the forces of God that Elijah shared with the person who thought the battle was lost, I’m sure I coudl come up with more.
If you insist I will but I really would rather not.
ISTM the ultimate Mystery of the Trinity is, “Who cares?” Jesus never said you have to master abstruse points of religious philosophy to get into Heaven; he said you have to be as a little child, and little children are not philosophers.
