The nakedest, lengthiest bondage scene on basic cable TV (Saving Grace)

[bbs2k]

@sweepkick

Let me be the first to say:

This thread is worthless without pics.

Hah, thank you EC when you took this seriously. I can’t tell you how hard I laughed, but now I must attend to some important “business”.

Carry on your serious discussion.

[Evil_Captor]

@Kalhoun

I don’t even think it’s all that strange to be into bondage; what I find strange is the expectation of a degree of realism so as to elicit sexual gratification for a person who’s into bondage in something not designed to give the viewer a sexual thrill.

Lemme see if I can parse this. You think I am advocating that mainstream non-sexual bondage scenes should be like hardcore porn bondage scenes? Is that what you think? 'Cause I’d SURE like you to show me the things I wrote that gave you that idea. If you mean something else, perhaps you could explain what you mean.

[Evil_Captor]

@bigbabysweets2000

Hah, thank you EC when you took this seriously. I can’t tell you how hard I laughed, but now I must attend to some important “business”.

Carry on your serious discussion.

Um, this is Cafe Society, bigbabysweets. None of the discussions here are serious in the same way that some discussion in GD or the Pit or even IMHO are serious. In any event, you 'tend to that business you have, 'cause we sure wouldn’t want a serious person such as yourself posting while distracted.

[Evil_Captor]

@Justin_Bailey

Except EC seems to be living in his own little fantasy world and he knows it (which is something I guess).

I know I view bondage scenes differently than those who aren’t into bondage, and I’m OK with it. I think that’s what you are interpreting as ‘living in his own fantasy world.’ but everybody’s perceptions are affected by their tastes, interests and background, giving them different viewpoints. That’s not the same as living in a fantasy world. This is what several people have been trying to tell you in this thread. You’re starting to get all hands over ears and la la la la on this topic.

All of his examples in this thread have been scenes that could have been “dramatically enhanced” by doing the bondage a different way. That’s not a technical problem like misplaced musical instruments or computer problems, that’s his own mental block on the subject.

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that bondage is somehow qualitatively different than these other topics. I’ll grant you, it’s not rocket science, or computer problems or whatever, but it’s a valid source for a different POV and maybe a more useful perspective.

And I say again, he’s showing us all of these scenes out of context, so who knows what they were like in the episode with a scene summary? Maybe they are as dramatic as they could be?

So, you look at the pics and you don’t see what I say is there, fine. I suspect most people do see it. I selected the pics because they clearly illustrate my points, so a reasonable person would say, “Yeah, if Sarah Michelle Gellar was tied to a hassock like that instead of in a comfy chair tie, she probably would look more distressed.”

I think you’re kind of vested in not seeing my point, and that’s OK, but I’ll hardly accept your handwaving that my pics don’t mean anything without context as against my pics and interpretations. It seems to me that you’ve pretty much got nothing at this point.

[Justin_Bailey]

@Evil Captor

So, you look at the pics and you don’t see what I say is there, fine. I suspect most people do see it. I selected the pics because they clearly illustrate my points, so a reasonable person would say, “Yeah, if Sarah Michelle Gellar was tied to a hassock like that instead of in a comfy chair tie, she probably would look more distressed.”

OK, let’s look at the Sarah Michelle Gellar picture. It’s a scene from Buffy, a show where she plays a superpowered vampire killer. Whether she’s tied to a chair or an ottoman won’t make a difference if the person doing the tying used rope. Because she’s Buffy and she can just break the rope at anytime.

Context does matter. Screencaps (even on a subject you have such vast knowledge of) mean nothing.

[Kalhoun]

@Evil Captor

Lemme see if I can parse this. You think I am advocating that mainstream non-sexual bondage scenes should be like hardcore porn bondage scenes? Is that what you think? 'Cause I’d SURE like you to show me the things I wrote that gave you that idea. If you mean something else, perhaps you could explain what you mean.

I think you’re saying they should be MORE like hardcore bondage. I just happen to disagree. While you and a few people may notice the inconsistencies, most people are satisfied with the depicitions because they get the dramatic point across. I am not criticizing your kink; your observations are based on your in-depth knowledge of the subject. I just don’t think the differences between the Real McCoy and regular ol’ TV bondage are worthy of criticism (unless you got ripped off on your porn!).

[Evil_Captor]

@Justin_Bailey

OK, let’s look at the Sarah Michelle Gellar picture. It’s a scene from Buffy, a show where she plays a superpowered vampire killer. Whether she’s tied to a chair or an ottoman won’t make a difference if the person doing the tying used rope. Because she’s Buffy and she can just break the rope at anytime.

Context does matter. Screencaps (even on a subject you have such vast knowledge of) mean nothing.

Forget that she’s Sarah Michelle Gellar playing Buffy for a moment, like the woman in the photo in the example of spectacularly loose bondage I posted. Like thousands of others tied in comfy positions in chairs. Compare with the maid tied to a hassock in a position probably best known from a photo featuring Betty Page – who looks more distressed? Woman A or Woman B?

I’m speaking generically here: ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, which position more completely expresses the “distressed” part of “damsel in distress”?

You are right that context can matter.For example, in some movies the woman is tied by her friends for good reasons: for some reason, the only example I can think of offhand is the scene from “Robot Monster” where the hottie daughter is tied up by her family to keep her from doing something foolish that would get her captured by the monster. (One weird movie, that one.) But in most cases the villain doesn’t care at all about their victims’ comfort, and would in fact want them uncomfortable and terrorized and not coolly thinking about escape plans.

[Justin_Bailey]

@Evil Captor

I’m speaking generically here: ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, which position more completely expresses the “distressed” part of “damsel in distress”?

See, now I think you’re having trouble separating “the world” from your particular version of the world. To the world, being tied to a chair with the villain looming over you is distressing enough. There’s no need to create elaborate bondage set pieces unless the fact the hero is tied up and “bad things are about to happen” is an important part of the scene.

And to most of the world, it’s not.