The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread

I know, but that point was lost (obviously) and would have been lost in spite of any disclaimers. Using the word was a mistake, but she was hated before she used it. It was a convenient tag to attach to her. After all, people believed she was capable of running a child sex ring in a pizza restaurant. <shrug> One word wouldn’t have made any difference.

Yeah. :frowning:

The weird thing is that she was hated previously in the '90s, but became really admired while she was Sec’y of State. Too bad she couldn’t hold on to that mojo.

But this is what was originally intended in your constitution. The US Senate represents the states, not the populace.

The ratio of the populations of the largest and smallest states in 1789 was nowhere near what it has now become.

And government at all levels, including the electorate, was in the hands of the “right” people: land-owning white men. We have a more evolved understanding of the nature and importance of democracy now, though.

Also, please note that the discussion is about what system we *should *have, not what we *do *have. We already know that part, thank you.

Agreed. I’ll add that those ratios were also never envisioned by the framers of the constitution.

In 1790, 1790 United States census - Wikipedia

Penn=110,788
Dela=11,783

So, a Senator was worth ten times in Delaware than Penn.

Not as big of a gap as today (60 or so times CA- Wyo), but they were well aware of this issue, and it was considered a feature, not a bug. They wanted it that way, at least the small states.

Then I concede the point.

So? They were wrong. About this. About slaves. About a lot of things. Hell, the first thing they did was amend the fucker 10 times. :rolleyes:

Just because their 4-page compromise draft government which had to be bickered and agreed-upon by 9 18th-century agrarian states has this as their principle, doesn’t make this imbalance any less unstable for our 21st-century post-industrial hyperpower.

That was part of the compromise.

Exactly. The damn thing is too rickety for today’s world and is growing more imbalanced by the day.

Conceded too easily! Huge difference between 10-to-1 and 60-to-IMO. What percentage of the Senate did the 16% of the population in the smallest states control then?

Kellyanne Conway’s husband George calls for impeachment inquiry.

This is after Trump’s lawyers put forth the argument in court papers that only the executive branch, i.e. not Congress, can “try to prove that the President broke the law”.

WTF? I know for some professions, one has to re-qualify after a certain number of years to ensure you are up-to-date and, of course, still competent. Is that the case with lawyers? There is no way someone who believes such nonsense is a competent lawyer.

To quote Joyce Vance (who was one of the people testifying yesterday):

More and more becoming my favourite (well at least most confounding) power couple.

That’s the plan.
I fully expect Trump to refuse to accept the results of the next election, with tweets of “Voter Fraud” and “Fake News”, lawsuits and Executive Privilege. “I have proof on this paper that the results are fraudulent! Reports! Confessions! No, you can’t see it…Executive Privilege! It’s from the DOJ!”
Whether anyone will do anything about it…

It’s kind of amazing that Trump hasn’t fired Kellyann over this. I guess he is really that grateful to her for helping him engineer the 2016 upset? Or more likely (since he doesn’t have a loyal bone in his body), he wants to keep her around to help him win reelection before jettisoning her.

If only it were just the President and tweets - except that it won’t be just the President protesting with a bunch of tweets. It will be the entire Republican party, which has bought into authoritarianism just as much as Trump has. With right wing radio, right wing TV, and right wing social media, they have created a right wing ecosystem of information that peddles the notion that white christians (or whites and/or christians) are victims of an illegitimate political and social coup from foreigners and the Godless, soulless, elitist left. Over the summer of 2020 they will begin peddling conspiracy theories about how it’s the Democrats are trying to steal their country and their democracy - whatever that may mean - away from them - it is they who are the real victims, and that extreme measures must be implemented to safeguard it.

That is why I don’t think it’s enough for Biden or any Democrat to simply win by two or three states with a 10,000 votes separating the two. It’s not just Trump; it’s the entire Republican party that will be tempted to coordinate anti-democratic efforts. If the elections are close, they will try to claim fraud and then sue in federal court, tying up the election for months, trying to sow the seeds of political violence among their supporters and confusion and doubts among the more impressionable voters.

If there’s good news, I suspect that they might be underestimating how well that would be received by a majority of Americans. The bad news is, the right wing may simply not care what the rest of America thinks. Even worse, depending on how far they go and what tactics they resort to, some right wing republicans might assume that they’re in as much political and legal jeopardy as Trump is and view a right wing takeover as necessary to ensure their freedom. It’s an increasingly precarious situation.

Ya gotta wonder what the pillow talk in their house sounds like…