Not just because the OP says they are, but because they and the other crazies DO represent the mainstream of the Republicans.
No, I want to keep them alive and in good health, and in a position to better themselves if they can. You want them enslaved, suffering or dead. That IS what happened before the government stepped in.
Which history shows to be true. That is exactly WHY the government stepped in. The magic market had thousands of years to do something about it and never did. The government stepped in, and suddenly we don’t have people dying in famines anymore.
No, you are like a parent who rapes his children because they are helpless, and therefore deserve whatever happens to them in your eyes.
Garbage; it’s those like you that want the poor enslaved. You want the wealthy and powerful to be able to reduce the poor to slavery, or kill them. Just like the good old days. You want the wealthy to be able to tell people things like “hand over your daughter as my sex toy or you and your family starve”, and you want the government to only step in if the poor man tries to do something violent to stop him.
You know, I’d like to suggest that Rand Rover and Der Trihs attend a town hall meeting sometime, and report back on what kind of reception their respective ways of presenting their viewpoints gets.
Of course not. The Republican leadership is getting exactly what they want. They have the power, they choose to fan the flames. They realize that real health care reform will turn out to be popular and impossible to get rid of once it’s in place. Like Social Security. And they know they can’t convince anyone otherwise. The more the crazies dominate coverage, the less real debate there is, the better off they are.
Congratulations. You are both right and wrong at the same time. Social Security is not popular. It’s a disaster in constant need of greater propping up by an ever-diminishing percentage of the population. The government has taken funds from it and used them for other things, which then creates a shortfall that can only be rectified by more taxation, but people for generations have been of the belief that by the time they retire the Social Security system will have gone bankrupt. And most people would get far more for their money if they had been forced by government decree to put the same amount of money in a simple bank savings account…plus they’d have money to pass on to their spouse and/or heirs if they should die prematurely. As it is you pay and pay and get precious little in return, and if you die prematurely the money you paid in just goes up in smoke; no one else (i.e., your family) gets the benefit of it as they would with a private savings or investment account.
You are right however in that it would be impossible to get rid of…just like Social Security, which now has so many people who’ve paid into it for so long that they’re not about to give it up. That still doesn’t mean that it’s a good program or that people will get anywhere near what they should have based on what they’ve been forced to pay into it.
Well, damn! And here I’d heard that it was pretty popular! But I reckon you wouldn’t say if it weren’t true. Its kinda like, you know, about how they can’t say stuff on TV unless its true. So there you have it.
Yook, its really none of my business, but you might consider apologizing to Starv for being so wrong, when all you had to do was ask. Up to you, really.
What really fascinates me is the ability of the rabid right to hold two entirely opposite ideas at the same time, both at fanatical levels of belief: “Our enemies are nearly omnipotent, are hidden everywhere in vast uncountable numbers, and threaten us at every turn with total destruction” and “We are all-powerful and all-knowing, invulnerable to harm, and our enemies are weak and small in number.”
I am baffled at how these people manage to simultaneously hold both beliefs, and often state them in the same breath without seeming to realize they are mutually exclusive. It reminds me of a conversation I once had with a racist Amerikan neo-con who referred to Mexikans as “human garbage.” When I asked him why, he said, without the slightest irony, “They come here, take all our jobs, and they’re all lazy and on welfare.”
That’s funny. I thought neocons wanted Mexicans to come here because they are all hard workers and can be hired for peanuts. I guess you run with a different breed of Amerikans than we hear about around here.
And I’ve never heard a conservative, on this board or elsewhere, refer to Mexicans either as garbage or lazy. Were it not for the fact that in a country of three hundred million people it’s virtually guaranteed that anything can be said by somebody, I’d question not only the accuracy of your claim but your honesty and motives in submitting it as well.
I feel bad for the guy, but at the same time I don’t really think that had the election gone the other way (ESPECIALLY if McCain bit it and Little Miss Dipshit Alaska skipped to the Presidency) the sides wouldn’t just be flipped. Hell, I’m not sure I wouldn’t be that guy in that scenario. I saw it on here during the election, a strange nebulous fear that sometimes morphed into this almost terrifying vitriol at points. If Palin had gotten promoted to office I’m not convinced every other Pit and GD thread would be espousing that Palin was going to ban science and make bible study an entire class in school. Okay, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but I don’t think anything but the source would be different in a parallel universe where things went the other way.
