There’s also the Milwaukee Brewers -> St. Louis Browns -> Baltimore Orioles. The A’s are unique in that they’ve kept the same name (more or less) the whole time. The Boston team went through 7 names while they were in Boston, though they stayed Braves from 1912 onwards (less 5 years as the “Bees”).
Come on, man, read what you’re replying to. One claim has *already *been supported, the second cannot be by its very nature. If you simply want to be argumentative for the fun of it, I’m not interested. But maybe someone else is:
:rolleyes:
And did you notice that the Red Sox *already *replaced Papelbon, with Melancon?
I was well aware that they had added Melancon to their roster.
But the Red Sox’s own website describes Bailey as “the man who is all but certain to be their next closer.”
Pop Quiz:
If Jonathan Papelbon was the Boston closer in 2011, and Andrew Bailey becomes the Red Sox closer in 2012 while Mark Melancon works in middle relief, which pitcher can most logically be called the replacement for Papelbon?
I fully concede that things may play out differently over the course of the year. An MLB regular season is six months long, and lots of things can happen. If Bailey blows a few too many saves, it could well be that Melancon ends up in the closer role. But right now, most commentators seem to think that Bailey is the frontrunner for the position.
Anyway, Elvis, i’m not sure why i bother engaging you on anything baseball-related. Your performance in the recent Billy Beane thread, where you continued to maintain, in the face of mountains of evidence, that Billy Beane was never offered the Red Sox GM position, is sufficient evidence, for me, that you’re simply not interested in what the actual evidence might say in such discussions.
You’ve supported neither claim with any evidence at all, but the second isquite obviously provable; either the Red Sox did or didn’t realize marketing gains from the Japanese market. It might not be easily proven, in that I don’t know how the Red Sox are about admitting to their revenues, but it is a matter of objective fact. It’s also a matter of objective fact as to whether or not the Sox expected big gains; again, it might not be easily proven if they weren’t very forthcoming about it, but either they did or didn’t expect it.
You aren’t obliged to support your arguments, of course; nobody’s paying you to do research and if you want to just say anything at all you can do that, but if you refuse to provide any evidence for the things you say then on the SDMB, people generally aren’t going to believe them. The Matsuzaka thing isn’t really a big deal anyway, but stuff like “Home Run Baker’s nickname was derisive” or “Billy Beane was never offered the Boston GM job even though Boston said he was” are things that would perhaps stand to be supported with some facts, especially when they run contrary to considerable piles of very easily verified evidence that say the opposite. I know it’s just the Game Room, but this remains the SDMB and we do like to deal with facts here.
Mister Rik:
Not in baseball. But in the NBA, there’s the Rochester Royals-Cincinnati Royals-Kansas City/Omaha Kings-Kansas City Kings-Sacramento Kings-possibly soon to be Anaheim Kings. Also, the Tri-Cities-St. Louis-Milwaukee-Atlanta Hawks.
And in hockey, you could probably make a case for the Dallas Stars and San Jose Sharks, depending on how you want to count the convoluted history of the California Seals franchise.
I was very familiar with the O’s being the perpetually basement dwelling Browns but I never knew about their years as the Brewers (Which oddly enough was when the team that went on to be the Yankees was playing in Baltimore as the Orioles.)
That is a pretty cool thing to learn today.
Those are a couple of my favorite trivia questions.
Q. What was the original name of the NY Yankees? (Most people will say the Highlanders.)
A. The Baltimore Orioles
Q. What was the original name of the Baltimore Orioles? (Most people will say the Browns.)
A. The Milwaukee Brewers.
The Yankees have reportedly agreed to trade Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi to Seattle for Michael Pineda and Jose Campos. At first blush I like this deal. Montero hit very well in his audition last year, but they don’t have a place for him at DH or 1B, since it’s unlikely he will remain a catcher long term. Pineda won’t be arbitration-eligible until 2014 and he’s not up for free agency until 2017, so he’s a good, young, inexpensive pitcher. Noesi was also supposed to be another one of their promising pitching prospects. I don’t know Campos. Meanwhile the Mariners certainly needed offense.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
If this doesn’t get Jack Zduriencik dragged from his home and set on fire by angry fans, I don’t know what will.
But yeah, we need some offense.
What’s the book on Pineda? What kind of a pitcher is he?
ETA: Montero can hit, but he’d be DH-ing, so as much as I like his bat, a good, young starter was a more pressing need.
I’m mixed on this, I think Montero can be a truly great hitter but on the other hand it is rare to acquire a 22 year old starter with a strike out per inning and better then a 3-1 ratio of K/BB. We will also control him for the next 5 years. Maybe this will be a win-win.
I also think this says the Yanks do not have confidence that Hughes will bounce back/be 100%.
Not sure I understand this but it is also being reported:
Now Yanks have a huge rotation but Kuroda is unlikely to thrive in the AL East.
From the Mariners site article on the trade:
“The youngster led all American League rookies in strikeouts with 173 in 171 innings last year while walking just 55. He posted the lowest WHIP (1.10) and second-lowest opponent’s batting average (.211) and quality starts (19) among AL rookies.”
He was completely dominating in the first half of last season, and earned a spot on the All-Star Team. OTOH, most of his wins came in the first half, and his losses in the second half, though I think that can largely be attributed to a combination of the team’s lackluster offense and the fact that he was a rookie who had never played such a long season, and he got tired.
Looks like Kerry Wood will retire a Cub. Very happy about this.
Pineda at this point is a two pitch pitcher throwing a 4 seam fastball and slider over 90 percent of the time. It is hard to have success like that but Pineda throws really hard and has excellent control for a young fireball, so he has gotten away with it thus far. In the long run though he probably has to develop a change up to be elite. He did fade down the stretch last year and is a bit of a fly ball pitcher, but is still a major upgrade over any nonSabathia starter.
I also like the Kuroda signing for the Yankees, and see no reason he can’t succeed in the al east.
Yep, I was looking it over and he is not a product of LA. His home and away ERA are about the same for his career and last year. His ERA will go up but it should not be terrible and the extra run support should more then make up for it and he eats up innings.
Though he does appear to be far weaker in the 6th inning and that leaves me a little worried. The DH can still have a serious effect on him and take away the innings eating part. I’ll wait and see how he adjusts and trust Girardi to handle him and the bullpen to support him. He should at least be an upgrade over AJ as he is pretty much the same pitcher all season long and doesn’t appear to go hot and very cold like AJ.
So CC, Pineda, Nova, Kuroda should make an excellent 1-4 and then AJ, Garcia and Hughes will have the first shot at 5. I imagine one of the 3 will be traded be the season starts. I know they will move AJ with a large basket of cash if they can and Hughes could easily slot back into the bullpen.
He’s an upgrade over Burnett in that he doesn’t suck. Being streaky’s okay if your good times outweigh your bad. Burnett’s don’t. Burnett just sucked in 2011, and he just sucked in 2010, and even in years he does’t suck he’s not great. He’s got a hell of an arm and three teams have tried their best to harness his talent, and they failed, because you cannot get over the simple fact that Burnett is an idiot.
Kuroda does not suck, but he’s also 37, so this is not necessarily going to work out. Nonetheless, it’s worth a shot.
A one-year deal for a quality pitcher? Great move at just about any price.
I really like the trade too - above average cost-controlled SP is worth its weight in gold. Did they give up more or less in you guys’s opinion than the Reds did to get Mat Latos?
I think the NYY are much better after these moves than before.
One year of Kuroda is probably VERY good for the Yankee’s. He will at worst be a durable innings eater, and has always been better than that in LA. He is older, so you never know when it’s all going to fall apart, but he has always been solid if lacking in a bit of flash. Pineda has the potential to be a true Ace, though he will probably settle in as a number 2. That was a great day for Cashman on the whole.
I also like the Montero trade for Seattle. They are rich in pitching and need a bat like crazy, and Montero can hit. They way overpaid, since they could have gotten him for Cliff Lee, but whatever. They are still a better team now because they can hit a little tiny bit at least.