Which brings up another interesting question. Is being born female genetic for the Moclan? After all, Klyden is an ex-female…
I am again puzzled as to how you watched the show and got that impression. Their arguments were - as has been pointed out there again and again - shallow, and easily deflected by the Moclan lawyer for the other side. Grayson’s using Alara’s strength was an irrelevant dog and pony show, and the Moclan lawyer saw through that and said so. Malloy’s stupidity proved nothing, and the Moclan lawyer saw through that and said so. The deux ex machina of the woman Moclan who turned out to be a great author didn’t really amount to any sort of argument, and they saw through that and said so. The humans could not really present a legally or morally convincing case. The aftermath was that the Moclans had their way, and they made a point of showing us the baby happy and healthy.
Perhaps this is analogous to the XYY chromosome.
Right. The Moclans were not shown as being “wrong”. Different, maybe hidebound and traditional, sure.
That’s about how I took it.
Apologies if this point’s been brought up before and I missed it, but what happened to Moclin females before the surgery was available? I wonder why nobody asked that question on the show.
Sacrificed to the male Moclin Moloch.
The Orville was made by people who grew up on Star Trek, Discovery was made by people who grew up watching nuBSG.
Went past the edit limit before finding where I had seen this quote from, it was from Barbarian in the Discovery thread, just wanted to attribute this to him.
An interesting observation, from any source.
I had to Google wtf nuBSG even was.
The Battle Star Galactica re-run, I presume.
“God did it.”
Crap. I tossed the DVDs I made recording it from C-Band feeds into the garbage.
How could it not be wrong, when they found a perfectly healthy female who just happened, out of all the millions or billions of Moclans, to be their most respected and revered author? How could you take it any other way? They were wrong, shown to be wrong and admitted they were wrong. How is this not obvious?
Right or wrong, let me provide a RW analogy. Tell Trump he’s wrong. What kind of response would you expect? What change would you expect to come of it?
At least the Moclan didn’t try to carry out personal attacks on the crew.
Alternately, they were shown that a female Moclan can be successful if she and her family isolate themselves from society and live secretly in a hermitage for the rest of their lives and has a one-in-a-billion artistic talent and access to a publisher willing to work discreetly with them to get their work out there. There’s no guarantee that Bortus’ baby would have been successful as a female just because one female was successful.
I didn’t take it that way at all. The advocate’s main argument seemed to be that a daughter would be an outcast and social pariah, and that the government had an obligation to protect her from carrying that burden.
The big reveal didn’t contradict that argument. Nor did the author herself. She only said that she was happy despite being an outcast.
And who is to say she wouldn’t have been just as successful at writing if she had had the ‘corrective’ surgery? And could have had a happy non-pariah life as well.
I’m thinking the Moclans are a hermaphroditic species, otherwise Klyden couldn’t have fertilized that egg. So what they’re calling ‘female’ vs. ‘male’ are mistakenly used labels for the bodily physical differences that result from having or not having some hormone producing organ that isn’t otherwise involved in reproduction. So the ones that do/don’t have this organ get doses of hormone which causes a bunch of physical changes analogous to what testosterone does: they grow larger, are more muscular, more aggressive, whatever than the ones who do/don’t have it. (It could just as likely be a hormone that suppresses these ‘normal’ changes as one that actively causes them.)
And those few who ended up with the rare/unfavored condition could legitimately be seen as having an unfortunate birth defect.
Consider albinism: having that condition causes some vision problems. If we had a simple remedy that would give them the ability to produce the melanin they need, wouldn’t we do it for babies born albino? And consider that the moral thing to do?
It’s only the false labeling of the variants as ‘male’ and ‘female’ that rouse the reactions in the human on-lookers.
Saw the “Space Ark” episode last week. It was weird, because it was like a paint-by-numbers Star Trek episode. All the scenes were there, but despite the presence of actual blood and beatings, there was very little what felt like actual drama/conflict and everything felt very compressed. This would have made a good two-part episode, but it seemed rushed as a single hour segment. Which almost made it seem like they were sacrificing the story for the jokey parts. (I’m not totally sure that this is a bad thing, because the “oh my gosh, they’re on an ark and don’t know it’s a spaceship” plot has been done several times.)
Once again, the special effects seem almost overdone because they’re so much better than anything else on the show.
They may be wrong, but living as a social pariah was considered by them up be a worse fate. It’s not that different from we humans, truth be told. We are a very social species.
Speak for yourself.
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