The Orville-Seth McFarlane

Please. If this were anywhere on the internet other than the SDMB, people would throw a fit if we failed to acknowledge it was instead a ripoff of an obscure anime.

Oh Mercer’s not a loser. The Admiralty knows that. He’s got tactics on every episode equivalent to a Picard maneuver, and he doesn’t need his android officer to discover them, nor a plucky pre-adolesent to execute them. For cripes sakes, he spends his time … reading his mission specs, and uses them later. No seriously, nobody else has ever done that in the history of sci-fi. Kirk, nope , all action. Picard, yeah, he reads Earth classics, but only to prove he’s literate, he doesn’t use it in the episode. Commander Adama, in any incarnation, Janeway, Sisco, I dunno, Honour Harrington, whoever, they all fly by the seat of their pants, running on pure instinct and gumption. And always succeeding.

Must be what I’m enjoying about The Orville, Mercer is actually thinking and planning, not just ruling from the big chair. Contrast the Krill Captain and Priest – no one wants to interact with them. No one wants to say, “Sir, did you notice … urm … Kri-um-Kyrs’s head distorting when he rubbed it? Want I should scan them, or something, for organs in the wrong place, or anything?” Nope. Those guys are too locked into hierarchy.

That whole, “you’re no one’s first choice for this” is pure smokescreen. They’ve likely already formally reprimanded him for being hung-over on duty. Halsey dredges it up because its the way he’s chosen to say, “Snap out of it Mercer. You married a woman way to hot for you. You’re too career driven for married life anyway. We’re sending right to the edge, and the Krill are a constant problem. Go handle it.” Either Halsey’s just too cold-hearted, or he realizes the tough love is what Mercer will respond to.

Actually, in realty, to use captured ships to attack an enemy is quite rare.

Quite a number of captured ships in this list but the number that were used against the enemy is rather small

If you go into the 20th century and 21th century, the number is even smaller.

In fact, the German sub that the US captured in WW2 (U-505) was the first ship captured by the US navy in over 100 years.

Sending the kids back is a big mistake.Now the Krill will find out that the humans know that dialing up their ceiling lights to 11 puts out deadly radiation. They may decide to remove that design feature.

Yes.
I was thinking about why they had lights that would do that.
However, if you could by pass the thermostat, you could use an A/C to freeze a house or to kill the occupants with heat.
Were I a Krill admiral, I’d give that order right away.

Not sure the kids actually know what Mercer did to kill the crew.

Perhaps, but I’m sure their teacher did.

She, however, is a POW.

I liked the episode but would have appreciated just 20 seconds’ explanation of how they were speaking the Krill language, or how the Krill came to speak English. The holoprojectors, okay, but how do you speak Krillish?

Again, the show is really like no other; it’s goofy, and for the first time seemed a little cheap at times, and it has too many references to 20thcentury culture (I can buy people still like 20th century music but they would not remember what Avis was… unless Avis was still a thing, renting shuttles. and then Gordon would have called it that.) But then they do something to make you think about the morality of what they’re doing out there; Mercer and Malloy go on a mission to seek peace and have no choice but to slaughter the ship’s crew. They spare the kids but make enemies of them. There are no easy answers sometimes, and MacFarlane is gutsy enough to say so.

It would have been useful to understand more about the Krill though. Are they at war or not? The Krill have three times now been shown attacking Union ships or colonies. Those are acts of war, right? Mercer and his crew have blown up more Krill ships than Kirk blew up Klingons. Or are the Krill not exactly an organized state?

Why this show is 19% on RT I cannot fathom. There are absolute horseshit shows out there at 75%.

Kirk read the mission specs thoroughly - when talking about what he was like at the Academy, he describes himself as a stack of books with legs. Kirk’s not all action either - when facing a creature that killed many humans, and could easily kill him too (and a creature that Spock was advising him to shoot), Kirk decides to talk first.

Harrington thinks things through, too - she sometimes appears to act on instinct because she’s thoroughly familiar with her equipment, but the books show her working extensively with her officers to come up with plans to stretch limited crew and equipment so that the mission goals can be achieved.

I do agree that Ed is clearly highly competent at his job (rather like the Captain in “Down Periscope” who is also given a ship below his capabilities for reasons that have little to do with his competence) - that’s not what I was expecting from this show - and I like it.

And commander Adama doesn’t read mission specs, he writes them.

Actually, if you want a book in which carefully reading mission specs is very important, try John Hemry’s “A Just Determination”

I thought that was actually explained in the episode - the Krill see everyone else as lesser beings, and does not see thier attacks as anything but ‘cleansing’ - they are not ‘at war’ with the Union - as they don’t consider the Union (or its peoples) to be anything of merit.

Trek had the “universal translator.” this is something I can set aside, since apparently the Union and the Krill have a long enough history where someone would have been able to figure out the languages.

it’s 19% with critics. with the RT community it’s around 90%. I honestly think it’s just because critics are useless.

no, seriously, they are.

I’m guessing most of it is just unbridled hate amongst “critics” for Seth MacFarlane, partly because Family Guy is low-brow cheap humor (and his other animated Fox spin-offs were just “Family Guy with different characters”) and because he pissed off too many of the Hollywood elite hosting the Academy Awards.

Or, it could, of course, be the fact that 99% of the jokes are pure shit, and half the episodes don’t have enough plot to make up for that fact.

I’m just going to assume everyone has universal translator brain implants, and apparently they can be programmed to make the subject actually speak another language instead of just understanding it (unlike say the translator microbes in Farscape).

I get the impression that Gordon doesn’t just like 20th century stuff, he’s a semi-obsessed buff. He’s probably watched tons of original broadcasts, commercials included.

I think this episode leaned a little too heavy on the slapstick. I like it more when the humor is taking a backseat (or maybe riding shotgun) to the sci-fi.

Could be, but nobody rational would make that argument. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m liking this show a lot. NuTrek is shit, but this is fun.

Definitely went way overboard with Malloy’s wisecracking and incompetence and blending in early on. Humor should serve the plot, in a structure like this, not completely sidetrack it to the point where you’re thinking about how impossible the plot is here because of the humor. You either have to break your immersion or spend the whole episode cringing about how hard he’s trying to ruin the mission.

Having him drop a few subtle wisecracks could work. He could’ve still made (in private) the “Should we tell them their god is a car rental company?” joke in private, and then the “oh mighty and wise Avis, please forgive us for the vehicle we destroyed” and “the humans have a different god named Hertz” would’ve still landed (and been more unexpected). Those sort of jokes could’ve plausibly slipped by the Krill while still being enjoyed by the audience, rather than his “this guy is blowing their cover every second” completely over the top humor.

I found the concern for the children over the top. I realize now that this is sort of a rejection of the “grimdark” trend of sci-fi, so we want our heroes to be squeaky clean, but the idea that a military officer would risk a successful test of a superweapon and 100,000 lives lost on a friendly colony to save some kids is totally implausible and, quite frankly, really stupid. And then it makes even less sense to send the kids back at the end. I guess that was the warm fuzzy ending we required - but on a practical level it only tells the enemy what you’ve done - you’ve gave them notice that you’ve stolen some of their technology and you know about their plans to escalate the war and their superweapon.

Instead, there’s an obvious opportunity to raise the kids yourself, learn about their culture, and potentially, when they understand humans better, use them as the bridge for communication and peace you’re looking for.

Maybe I’m looking too deeply into this - but this show actually works pretty well when it tries to tell a serious, plausible story that just tacks on some character moments and comedy organically rather than being a full on farce with a plot that doesn’t make much sense.

Were the parents on the ship? If not, why are them children there?

The teacher called them “trainees”, so it may be some kind of Avis approved JROTC program.