The Oz books are seriously screwed up

I vaguely remember reading L. Frank Baum’s Oz series of books as a kid, and recently decided to go through them again, as I now have a baby girl, and perhaps some day I’ll wish to read them to her. I didn’t remember much about them, but wow! There are some deeply disturbed bits and pieces in some of these books.

I’m currently in “The Road to Oz”, which starts off thusly:
Dorothy, a young girl of about 13, is standing outside her uncle’s farmhouse when a stranger walks up. She dubs him the Shaggy Man, because he’s very shaggy. He asks her for directions. She tries to give them, but, being a dumbass (this is one aspect of Dorothy’s character that didn’t make it into the movie - she’s seriously stupid), she can’t remember properly. She decides to walk Shaggy Man to the next intersection and point him in the right direction. While she runs inside to get her hat, Shaggy Man steals several apples of their tree, and also, for no particular reason, her dog Toto. He just grabs him and stuffs him in his pocket.

As it transpires, Shaggy Man is not only a vagrant thief and possibly kidnapper (as Dorothy of course finds herself wandering with him through strange lands instead of returning right home), but he’s also described as homeless, and uses mind control to make people do what he wants. He’s quite up-front about this. He has a device called the “Love Magnet”, which I can’t even type without feeling oogy, which causes any living thing he meets to instantly love him and do whatever he tells them.

So just to recap, a homeless, disheveled tramp wanders by, steals food and a small pet, and uses his mind control device to coerce a small girl to accompany him on a journey she has no interest in taking, certainly crossing state lines, and keeps her in his power for several weeks. Incidentally, they later happen across a boy sitting in the road digging a hole. This boy, Button Bright, is obviously mentally disabled, as he doesn’t know where he lives or where his parents are. It’s not that he doesn’t have a home or parents; he’s just forgotten about them. No doubt they, being aware of his simpleness, are nearby and will come get him when the time is right, but does that stop our possibly pedophiliac hobo? Nope. He scoops the boy up and takes him along with the group. The poor kid eventually has his own head replaced with that of a fox, and who knows what else in Mr. Baum’s disgusting imagination.

And that’s just one character in one story. There are plenty of other examples. In another book - I forget which one - Dorothy and friends find themselves in a land made entirely of carved wood, including all of the people and animals. Due to a simple misunderstanding, the wood people try to stop her group from moving on, so what do they do? Why, they simply light the place on fire. Forget simple genocide. They wipe out an entire system of life - who knows how many entire species and forms of sentient beings - just because they were in their way.

And don’t get me started on how the good witches in the first book manipulated Dorothy and the Wizard into eliminating their only competition, leaving them as the unchallenged rulers of the entire land, at the small cost of forcing a prepubescent girl to singlehandedly murder their rival and watch her literally melt into nothing. If Dorothy wasn’t so incredibly feeble-minded, she’d need a lifetime of therapy. Not as much as poor Ozma, who as a teenage boy was suddenly turned into a girl and informed that he was now the ruling princess of the land, but still.

Oh, and by the way - those directions Shaggy Man wanted to a nearby town? Turns out he didn’t even WANT to go to that town. Deceitful bastard.

The tin woodsman’s backstory is nightmare fuel - he kept accidentally (or so he claims) chopping off body parts and getting them replaced with tin.

Including his HEAD. He accidentally chopped off his HEAD and got it replaced.

Descriptions of killing scores of wolves by ax and Kalidahs (bear/tiger monstrosities) are also kinda oogy.

You say this like it’s a bad thing!

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Not necessarily. “We love you in soup!” say the Scoodlers, creatures with detachable heads that they throw at people as their means of attack. Or at least, that’s how I remember it; it’s been a long time since I read the book. Button Bright (“Don’t want to be soup!”), as I recall, is hilarious, and is responsible for at least one in-joke catchphrase in my family: “Don’t want pie for breakfast!”

Doesn’t somebody use all of the Tin man’s hacked-off flesh limbs to construct a new person? They can’t put his limbs back on but they can make someone else out of his body!? Damn.

It gets worse (and you misrememberd a detail)

He was in love with a Munchkin chick* who was the servant of a witch. The witch was pissed that the Woodsman might run off with the servant-girl, so she enchanted the axe to lop his body parts off–he wasn’t clumsy. Just persistant. Eventually after the ax cut his torso off, he lost his heart and couldn’t love, so he didn’t care about her any more.

That said, that’s not the creepy part.

It turns out that a few years later a soldier fell for the same serving-girl and the witch did the same thing to the soldier’s sword with the same results.

But that’s not the creepy part either.

The creepy part is that the servant girl missed her old boyfriends, went to the tinsmith who fashioned the Tin Woodsman and Tin Soldier’s metal bodies and found the body parts that the Woodsman and the Soldier had left behind (they’re still living of course–nothing dies in Oz. “You can be chopped up into hamburger” says one of the characters in one of the books “and the hamburger would still be alive and well.”)

Anyway, apparently the Woodsman and the soldier were pretty damned sloppy about bringing their parts into the tinsmith, as there’s only enough parts between them to make one man. So she gets the spare parts from both guys…uses magic glue to put them back together as a single mix-n-match Frankenhusband.

That was nightmare fodder for me for months.

(It’s also creepy when the Woodsman and the Soldier complain that she took the left over parts and used them for herself and her reaction is “Why? You weren’t using them.”)

*He was a munchkin too, remember

… but the scene where the Tin Woodsman has a conversation with his own severed head is amazing! (The chick’s name was Nimmie Aimie, IIRC.)

General Jin-Jur and her Hootchi-Cootchi Army are another high point of the series.

The Oz books are far weirder than you would expect if you knew nothing of them except the movie. They have a character that changes sex. They have a character that replaces each part of his body one at a time with other things. Then someone puts the parts back together to form another person. Which is now the original person, the one that had his parts changed one by one or the one with the parts put back together?

I’ve never read the books, but these descriptions make them sound awesome. And I bet they’re free on Kindle.

It looks like the text-only versions are free, or you can get versions with the original illustrations for a buck or two each.

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I vaguely remember reading L. Frank Baum’s Oz series of books as a kid, and recently decided to go through them again, as I now have a baby girl, and perhaps some day I’ll wish to read them to her. I didn’t remember much about them, but wow! There are some deeply disturbed bits and pieces in some of these books.]

When my daughter was little, I thought about reading The Wizard of Oz to her. It was immediately obvious that there are very dark undertones in the book. For one thing, Aunt Em and Uncle Henry are mean, depressing people. I know my father read the Oz books when he was a boy, but I dont’ think they’re really kiddie lit, at least, not by today’s relatively bland standards.

But when you think about it, the movie has some creepy stuff in it, too: setting the scarecrow on fire, melting the witch, and the famous flying monkey scene, which a child psychologist once told me is the most disturbing scene to children. I was frightened by about two-thirds of the movie, but then I was a wimp. I was always excited about it coming on TV, though, and watched it year after year. It was kind of cathartic.

Ozma? Ages since I read it but wasn’t she effectively under a curse to turn her into a boy (Pip?) and being hidden with Mombi the witch? Or kidnapped I suppose… gah, I still have memories from childhood of an animated creature created from sofas, palm fronds, and a stuffed moose head, along with an animated saw-horse, the pumpkin headed man, and a giant beetle. :eek:

I read a book or two free on download and I don’t remember any of this. I think I read something titled more or less like “The Wizard of Oz” which the movie followed somewhat roughly, except for some adventures of the remaining characters after Dorothy left Oz. None of it was as bizarre as what is described here; the only thing I can recall is a land where everyone and everything is made of glass.

That’s correct. I forget the details, but the ruler (I think this was pre-Wizard, but I forget who the ruler was) had killed the king, and wanted the princess hidden. So he sent her to Mombi, who was evil, of course, and turned her into a boy. He was raised as a boy until his teenage years, at which point he has an Adventure, at the end of which he’s suddenly turned back into a girl, much to his surprise. Boom, you’re a girl now. Good luck!

A wooglebug. A highly educated wooglebug.

Actually, a Highly Magnified and Thoroughly Educated Wogglebug.

Thank you…now I’m off to put all the Oz books on hold at the library.

Just to chime in here.

One thing to remember was that these books were written in a different era. I can’t tell you how shocked I was reading them as a kid in the late 80’s and finding out the author died in 1919. It just never occurred to me that he had died already. So in the time period that Baum wrote about the shaggy man, there were kids working/dying in factories well before the age of 13. Different culture back then.

Another note: I believe it was the Wizard and the witch Mombi that usurped the kings throne. As mentioned before, since no one is supposed to die in Oz, they put him on the bottom of a lake with a large boulder holding him down. They cast the spell on Ozma (girl) and turned her into Pip (boy) who then lived with the witch as her servant.
Granted it has been many years since I read the books.

As most (all?) of the Baum books are in the public domain, there have been people who have recorded audiobooks and placed the recording in the public domain. Lots of them are available from librivox.com as either M4Bs (which means it will work as an audiobook in iTunes or on an iPod) or even in multiple files as MP3 or OGG. It’s quite a good resource, though of course the quality of the recording can vary widely depending on the reader. A check of the FAQ shows me that they don’t even release under the Creative Commons license but go straight to public domain release.

Wait a minute…if people/creatures/things don’t die in OZ, how did Dorothy kill herself a couple o’ witches?

:eek::confused::frowning: