The Palestinians are citizens of what country?

Are the Palestinians citizens of Israel? I’m assuming not since they are always contrasted with the Israelis without having to qualify it with Jewish Israelis. What is their legal status then? If a Palestinian travels, who issues his passport?

There are in fact many Muslim citizens of Israel. (Do we say, “Muslim Israelis”?) How did these people retain their status in Israel while others did not?

This part is not factual, more speculative, but why have the Palestinians pursued a separatist strategy instead of demanding to be made full citizens of Israel with the voting power that would come with that? Certainly such a goal would be impossible today, but I mean decades ago.

15 years ago, working at a private school in Switzerland, I was travelling across the Swiss/Italian border with about 35 school kids from all over the world. We noticed as we neared the border that one of the kids only had a passport from Palestine and we knew that wasn’t going work (not recognized by the Italian Government at the time), so we simply hid the passport and hoped nobody would count heads and passports.
Nobody did and we got through.

At that time, however, the girl did have two passports at the school. She simply took the wrong one when we went on the trip.
Aside from the Palestine passport, I believe she also had one from Egypt(?).

That info is from 15 years ago, so I don’t know what the status of Palestine passports is today.

I don’t remember where, so I don’t know if it is accurate, but I remember reading that they are Syrian in nationality.

Palestinians aren’t citizens of anywhere. Well, obviously some are…there are Palestinians with Egyptian citizenship, Jordanian citizenship, American citizenship, etc., but, for the most part, those Palestinians who live in the West Bank and Gaza are stateless. Until recently, I think a lot of residents of the West Bank (not refugees in the West Bank) had Jordanian citizenship, but I think that’s changed since Jordan relinquished their claims on the West Bank.

There are a number of Muslim and Christian Arab Israelis. They have citizenship because they stayed in Israel. A lot of Arabs left Israel when it was founded, (why they did is still controversial in some circles, but it was a combination of violence and threats of violence done to the Arabs by certain Israeli groups, and voluntary leaving. Right when Israel got its independence, it was attacked by Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Iraq, with the intention of destroying it, and a lot of Arabs in the area fled, either to get away from the violence, in fear of being labeled “collaborators”, or with the desire to join the Arab forces and wipe the Israelis out) but those who stayed became Israelis.

The Palestinians should all immediately convert to Judaism. Then Israel would have to accept them as citizens, they could vote the current government out and whoever they liked in, and settle the whole question once and for all as they liked.

[note: THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS PROPOSAL!]

To answer the OP: depends. Some are born in Israel proper, and thus get Israeli nationality. Some are born in Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan or Syria and presumably get the appropriate passport. Those born in the West Bank or Gaza get the dud end of the stick, they don’t really qualify for any nationality.

AFAIK the “Palestinian passport” mentioned is not accepted by anyone except the nearby Arab nations.

Well, the Muslims are circumcised already, so logistically it wouldn’t be such a big pain…

It’s a little upsetting to see people not realize that Palestinians are, by in large, stateless, which is at the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I’m going to tie up a few ends here…

Israel’s population is roughly 80% Jewish, 20% Muslim, and very small percentage Christian, Druze, Baha’i, etc (Hey, I said roughly!). The accepted definition of “Palestinian” includes Arab residents of the land of Palestine (as first definitively defined by the British) west of the Jordan in 1947 as well as anyone (Jews included) who resided in Palestine west of the Jordan prior to 1917 (beginning of the so-called Zionist invasion) and all of their descendants, typically using patrilineal descent.

We should note, for historical accurace, that prior to the British Mandate for Palestine after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, “Palestine” was a region and not a definitve area- saying that you hailed from Palestine was akin to saying you’re from the “midwest” - people would have an idea where you’re from, but few would draw exact border lines for the region on a map. During the reign of the Ottomans, what we’d refer to today as “historic Palestine” fell under control of the Syrian governor. I’m thinking this is where JerseyDiamond got his answer. The idea of “Palestinian” being a distinct nationality really did not come about until Zionism; some people point this out as illegitimacy of Palestinian attachment for the land, however I don’t think that’s fair. Palestinian nationalism came about slightly after Zionism, because only the Palestinians had to deal with Zionists coming to their land and eventually making (most of them) refugees from it. It’s this common experience- being in the land that Zionists wanted- that makes Palestinians a nation as real as any other.

Anyhow, back to history. During the war of 1948, 750,000 Palestinians were made refugees from the war and ended up east of the eventual armstice line, also known as the Green Line. In some cases this came about from being directly deported or ordered to depart, or in other cases the Palestinians fleed after hearing cases (with some truth and with some exaggeration) of Zionist massacres of Palestinians.

If you ended up east of the green line, or in the Gaza Strip, you were a refugee and were stateless. The West Bank and East Jerusalem was claimed (in a move only recognized by Britain and Pakistan, if memory serves) by Jordan in an expansionist Jordanian measure. Gaza fell under Egyptian military occupation, however Gaza was not annexed by Egypt. Jordan offered Palestinians citizenship; Jordan, until the 1980s, did this in an attempt to have its annexation and claims to Palestine regarded as legitimate. If you ended up in Gaza, or in a camp in Lebanon or Syria, you were stateless. If you ended up in Israel, you were given Israeli citizenship, although if you were apart from your home your land was eventually taken from you and leased for Jewish-only purposes.

Now, what else… it should be noted that those who ended up in Syria or Lebanon were not offered citizenship (Lebanon has a delicate ethnic balance and it would send the country into another civil war if such a move ever happened, Syria out of principle) and their children generally do not have citizenship, either. So there is a real problem of totally stateless refugees who wander about the region. To answer your question, they have no passport. They have, if everything works right, Palestinian refugee travel documents. Sometimes they can’t even get those, however, and the question of where to put them or send them is a real question many authorities face. Where do you send a Palestinian refugee when his visa expires?

As for the mass conversion idea, the catch is Israel won’t acknoweldge a conversion unless an orthodox rabbinical court oversaw it, and said rabbinal court checks to see if they’re converting due to spirtual conviction, and if they’re doing it simply to make aliyah and move to Israel, well, it wouldn’t work. I assume being a Palestinian makes it very hard to convert to Judaism, given this.

The vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not citizens of any country. Quite a few hold Jordanian passports as Jordan used to issue passports to people living in the West Bank.

Most palestinians living on the “west bank” are NOT stateless - they have Jordanian citizenship. Those living in Gaza are, as you said, by and large stateless. On the whole, roughly one half of Palestinians under Israeli occupation are stateless (assuming pop. Gaza ~= pop. West bank).

Palestinians in Lebanon and Syria are also stateless, but that has more to do with internal Arab politics than with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (although they all love to wave the fact in our faces).

Dan Abarbanel

No, Noone most Palestinians in the West Bank don’t have Jordanian citizenship, many have Jordanian passports tho’.

Are you certain? At one time this may have been the case, but Jordan surrendered all claims to the territory in 1988, purging West Bank representatives and officials from its government. Indeed it is my understanding that Jordan has lately been moving to restrict movement from the West Bank into Jordan.

  • Tamerlane

You’re may right, MC - I’m not sure. And I think it’s “most” rather than just “many” that have Jordanian passports (with or without citizenship).

But since the discussion has turned to whether or not palestinians have passports that will allow them to travel, I think we are still in agreement that for those on the west bank the answer is “yes”.

And none of this changes the fact that there is a problem that must be solved somehow (don’t I know it!). Now HOW is probably a subject for GD rather than GQ, and one of these days I’ll probably tootle over there and let my voice be heard - but let’s not get started on this here and now.

Dan Abarbanel

There are 600,000 Palestinians inside Jordan who Jordan refuses to give citizenship to for a start. Also there was a row recently over a propsal to give people who were half-Palestinian half-Jordanian (Jordanian) citizenship.

Actually Noone special I belioeve the numbers with Jordanian passports (I’m trying to recall the numbers I think 40% had Jordaina passports)is falling because there recently a new PNC passport was issued that is now recognised by many countries.

Last I heard, West Bank palestinians still voted in Elections to the Jordanian parliament. If that isn’t citizenship, I don’t know what is.

But I may be wrong.

And the cross-posting here is getting fierce (I just received notifiaction of another message on this topic while I’m still here answering your message that came in while I was posting my previous reply…)

Dan Abarbanel

No, Palestians lost the right to vote for the Jordaina parliment in 1988.

I’d love to see a cite that Palestinians being stateless is at the core of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Care to provide some, bugg?

When Israel was created, Arab landholders were offered financial compensation for lands they had to move off of. Some took it and went elsewhere; many, however, were threatened with death and violence by Arab leaders if they did. So, these people had to leave their land without compensation… and then none of the Arab states would absorb them. They’re the only refugee group in the world that hasn’t been absorbed into one of their own nation’s states (Kurds don’t have a state, etc.)

To answer an obvious question from the first post: Palestinians can’t be given Israeli citizenship because Israel is a Jewish state, founded as a haven for Jews after the holocaust. One must be Jewish to be a citizen.

Yup, nothing about West Bank poll sites or representatives in coverage of the recent elections there.

So I’ll just go off looking for a nice, tasty, hat to eat :frowning:

Dan Abarbanel