The Phenomenon: What is it?

Great Debates
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How much U-236 was in this extracted item? Was it in ratio to U-238, or free? Did they do any trace analysis to see it it matched the signatures of European nuclear reactors? What level of investigation proceeded from “we detect U-236”?

Because your source for the abundance of U-236 describes using those tracers to measure sources of the U-236 for potentially tracking contamination from specific reactors.

A more logical conclusion is that there was some testing error, or that it was made up to enhance his argument about extraterrestrial source, or he misintrepreted some information, or…

“Right, because convergent/ parallel evolution shows that similar environments create similar functional needs, and thus similar appearances.”

Why 4 limbs? Why not 6, or 8? Why upright walking and not scampering on 4 with another 4 of a different shape for grasping, the way spiders or lobsters have differing appendages?

Why a soft, smooth skin, rather than fur or scales or a completely new form of dermal armor?

Why teeth, layed out in a semicurcular curve at the bottom of the face? Why not a beak set in the middle of the torso?

Yes, a only have a dataset of one planet, and one chain of evolution, but even that one dataset has a great deal of diversity, branches with hundreds of different directions and shapes.

But like you said, why one one set of knees that bend one direction instead of the other? Just because the being would need some sort of appendages to manipulate tools hardly justifies they need to look like hands, with specific thumbs.

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Did I say it was? All you have to do is Google Jacques Vallee and the first hit under videos is - ta da! The Joe Rogan Experience #2288.

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Everybody who touts these incredible claims should first read Martin Gardner’s Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science, the expanded, easier-to-get version of a 1952 book.

That book, first written more than 70 years ago, has dozens of examples of pseudoscientific notions that became immensely popular despite the skepticism, if not outright debunking, by actual scientists. Most of them look positively deluded from today’s perspective, but a few continue to live on, because the population of people who want to believe never diminishes.

“Although we are amused, we may also be embarrassed to find our friends or even ourselves among the gullible advocates of plausible-sounding doubletalk.” — Saturday Review

The Dope is easily substituted for Saturday Review.

The real problem is that fleecing the gullible is far more lucrative than debunking the silliness. And new forms can be created literally overnight, overwhelming any rational responses with Gish Gallops of “evidence.” The Internet has changed nothing except the speed pseudoscience can spread. Pseudoscience remains pseudoscience. Read Gardner.

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Doot doo doo doo doot?

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Because I’m more interested in the theoretical concept of the phenomenon and its implications if real than just dismissing it out of hand.

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The entire idea is risible fantasy. There is nothing meaningful to discuss; As fantasy it can have whatever real-world implications you (any you) want it to have.

Next up: how well does invisible pink unicorn shit work as plant fertilizer for my real rose garden?

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All the evidence I can dig up tells me there is no pony in that pile of horseshit.

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There’s not enough information about this mythicial Phenomenon to draw any reasonable implications. You can draw any conclusions you want based on whatever assumptions you decide to make.

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In high school, I went to one of those math competitions. My prize for my results was a copy of that book. Little did I know when they handed it to me how actually great that prize was!

Excuse me, my N-ray meter is going off. Time to tap the Orgonne Energy.

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Something like a phenomenon
Something like a phenomenon
Something like a phenomenon.

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Phenomenon.
Be doo be doo be

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Sorry, I’m not getting the reference:

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No ones forcing you to contribute?

Jacques Vallee is just hypothesising a thread of familiar patterns told in folklore and recent 20th century UAP sightings to conclude that there is more than surface level myth making and is pattern is more akin to a control mechanism guiding humanity to an unknown outcome.

Why this has raised the consternation a few is bizzare.

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If it’s real then all of science - all, every bit of it - is wrong. One of them can exist but not both. Science works and gives us the world we live in, down to the smallest sip of water we drink. If all of science is wrong, then our brains have never worked right in human history. That’s the implication and also why we are dismissing it out of hand.

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I don’t see how the interdimensional hypothesis conflicts with current scientific understanding if it were to be discovered as true

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You’re right. I was unhelpful. I’ve said my piece and good luck with your thread.

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Yes, and I can write a paper that says that I found Dilithium in a small lump of green putty I found in my armpit one midsummer morning, but it’s not very believable unless I also publish the test results.

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I got it, and was thinking the same thing when I read the op.

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Your OP said that the Phenomenon is a “force” that “Exhibits physical and non-physical characteristics simultaneously.” It “Interacts with humans” and “Alters perception, memory, and even reality itself.”

And you don’t see how that would invalidate every understanding we have of science, down to core laws like the conservation of energy?

I get wanting to believe. Nevertheless, some beliefs can only be held by giving up other beliefs. One cannot believe in a flat-earth without giving up all known science. The same is true for the Phenomenon. They cannot be merged with reality as we know it unless everything that makes our world work is wrong from the base up. Science or woo. There is no superposition in which they can be simultaneously true.