Still does not justify him punching GZ. If GZ broke into his house, it would.
It’s not a matter of being “dismissive”. I don’t believe anyone gets to punch anyone else just because that person is following you in a neighborhood. And I think the law agrees with me SYG or no SYG.
Well, we don’t allow people to punch other people because they are “freaked out”, and and I think that’s a good thing.
I think it’s a case-by-case, actually. One woman’s “freak out” is another woman’s reasonable belief she’s about to be raped.
I suggest you not act on that impulse if you are followed by someone under the circumstances we are discussing. You’ll end up on the wrong side of the law.
I personally would rather be on the wrong side of the law than held captive in some guy’s basement for 10 years, thanks. I’ll take my chances in court, should this situation occur.
Fact: If Zimmerman is black and Martin is white, this verdict goes the other way.
Your speculation is a “fact”? Uhm, no.
Fact: If Zimmerman is black and Martin is white, Zimmerman is acquitted nonetheless.
Wrong. If the thug is white and the shooter is black, the shooter is acquitted as well. And the shooter didn’t even get beaten up.
It doesn’t really help to call Martin a thug. Yes, he had some behavior problems that seem to include petty theft (probable) and marijuana use. There’s a long list of such crimes in my youth and several more serious. I was very lucky in that I was never caught.
I’ve argued here due to uncertainty about what happened it was legally appropriate to acquit Zimmerman, but that is not the same as saying we know enough to condemn Martin’s actions. I’ve chastised people for assuming if you disbelieve Zimmerman’s account that is itself evidence of a narrative never presented. You shouldn’t take a situation so unknowable and make such condemnations of either party. If you want to condemn either for their known actions, fine. But I don’t see anything from his known for sure actions that night that justify labeling Martin a thug.
It is good to post that story from New York, though. I naively hope that the more familiar people are with how difficult self defense cases can be to prosecute, and the outcomes of similar cases they may at least begin to feel the verdict was broadly in line with American law and not the product of racism. Now, maybe that will still leave them condemning the law, and that is valid for any citizen to disagree with the law–but at least they’d have a recognition the Zimmerman case wasn’t some aberration under the law.
Beating up on someone who approaches you, even in the dark and at night, is thuggish behavior. When someone comes out and says “Stop it, I am calling 911”, not stopping to beat up on someone is thuggish behavior. A thug is as thug does.
The two above are “known actions”. Especially the second one.
Fact?
Really? Seriously?
Based on what? Your belief that FLA Gov. Rick Scott, AG Pam Bondi, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, prosecutors Bernie de la Rionda, John Guy, and Rich Mantei are all racists?
If GZ were black, the racist Sharpton wouldn’t have fired up the lynch mob-types.
Of course, because every case is exactly like another one. He maybe was outnumbered - but only one of the thugs came at him, not all three, and the shooter suffered no injuries. And hey - aren’t the “anti-racists” claiming that no way a black man can shoot a 17-year-old white boy in this country and be acquitted because of self-defense? Well here is the case where that happened. And I fully support the verdict. Old racist me.
What else would you expect from these pack dog liberals on here? Do you honestly think they’re interested in the rule of law or the decision of a jury? C’mon.
I wouldn’t call you old. 
Fact: with identical evidence, but reversed races, this verdict stays the same.
Stoid, after reading your pontificitions and their rebuttals/disprovings, if I’m ever wrongly arrested for a crime, I pray, pray I tell you (and I’m not a religious person) that you are the lead prosecutor. Hell, if I’m ever arrested for a crime I did commit, I will petition, nay, beg that you be my prosecutor (but not a juror).
Wow.
You want to have the thought police literally put people in jail because they don’t have the same liberal worldview as you do.
Very scary stuff.
So, lock him up and throw away the key, right?
How would these gulags work that you are proposing exactly. Should we imprison pro second amendment people for a fixed length of time? Or until they are re-educated? Can they commute their sentences by simply agreeing to a lobotomy?
You’re really off in land of the apes territory on this one, comrade.
Because he really, really, really feels that way. That makes it a fact. That’s how many of the pro-Martin people seem to operate.
They just know things. Don’t need proof. It seems to bother them that the justice system is based on things like proof and evidence.
Because they’re not conflating Justice with Legality?
We’ll never know what actually happened because the only other witness is dead. The evidence is being provided by the defendant. Legally, there isn’t anything else to be done, you can only work with the available evidence. Legally, this was done (more or less) by the book. The prosecution wasn’t able to present enough evidence, the defense was able to introduce doubt, Z. is acquitted.
Whether or not “Justice was Served” has to do with what actually happened, not what the prosecution is able to prove. What actually happened is known only to Zimmerman, the rest of us get to use our imaginations, unless you’re buying his version wholesale.
If Justice is simply what the law requires and allows, then do we file this case under the Justice column? Acquitted doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything wrong, it just means the State couldn’t prove a crime to the necessary level of confidence.