The Problem with Planes

Obviously, you didn’'t understand the point he was making (or the rest that asked the same thing and you ignored them). I’m outta here, as this is just foolish now.

bye

I find this statement ironic.

Actually it was sardonic. Common rookie mistake.

Too funny!!!

Now this is truly making a mountain out of a molehill.

I think a reasonable person can make a judgment whether someone is correctly buckling a seat belt. I’ll write out the steps for you:

(1) Provide whatever assistance is necessary to get someone into the aisle chair.
(2) Offer help to buckle them up in the aisle chair.
(3) Hi Opal.
(4) If they need help, the flight attendant buckles them up.
(5) If no, watch them as they buckle up.
(6) If they are incapable of buckling up, or they do it incorrectly, refer to step 4.

You’re making it out like flight attendants are completely incapable of making any decisions at all, when they are actually quite well trained in dealing with all sorts of emergencies and events onboard. The idea that an individual trained in aircraft cabin safety is completely unable to exercise a small amount of judgment as to whether a passenger is able to buckle a friggin’ seat belt own their own seems to reflect more of a wish of continuing to disagree with the OP, rather than making a rational point.

I came here for a debate, not contradiction. (or however that Monty Python quote goes)

It’s enough that the airline thinks it is.

The airplane gets a warning that severe turbulence is ahead. It is important that everyone return to their seats immediately. Some able-bodied passengers cannot because the guy in the wheelchair is claiming “Don’t push me, I can do it!” or “don’t help me, I can get up myself!” when he’s fallen out of the chair he was not properly strapped to.

Okay, the flight attendants rapidly push or pull the cart back to its station and park it. There is no chance the cart is going to argue with them about it, or threaten to sue them for it, or be a jerk about it.

Fact is, if I have to get back to my seat in a hurry and you’re in my way, I’m going to blame you, not the airline.

There’s a safety problem in this, though. When in an aircraft, in almost any capacity, the checklist is lord and master. Having two different sets of procedures for the same situation increases by a measurable amount the risk that someone who is NOT capable will not be properly fastened–or equally bad, someone with an inflated view of their capabilities will waive additional fastening they need.

People in that latter situation have successfully sued before, and they will do so again.

Primarily? Flight attendant mobility. If there is sudden turbulence, or a passenger emergency, the flight attendants need to be able to move up and down the aisles rapidly to appropriate places.

Snack carts do not have 150+lbs of potentially angry disabled person strapped to them. They are light and on wheels, and do not care if you shove them roughly out of your way or bump them into bulkheads.

I know we can solve this if we just keep working at it. Would you consider being stashed in cargo? Heavy winter coat, camp toilet, maybe a nice set of dumbbells?

Funny - the McDonald’s I was in today only had 1 regular and 1 handicapped stall.

The rule is that if there is only one toilet it must be accessible. If there is more than one then at least 1 must be accessible… but there is, in fact, no regulation of how many regular toilets there must be. It can be zero, 1, 2, more…

Oh, I don’t doubt the OP has to deal with stupid, oppressive crap in his life due to prejudice against the handicapped. I just don’t agree that this issue of aisle chairs is one of those pieces of crap. Clearly, he does.

Fact is, he IS more physically able than most wheelchair users, but the issue (as others have noted) is that the aisle is designed as something usable by ALL wheelchair users, not the elite athletes of wheelchair users.

Hell, when it comes to something requiring upper body strength he’s probably more able than most “able-bodied” people. What sucks is that what he wants - to be able to get to the toilet on his own - has a pathway designed for lower-body ability, which he lacks. Pity he can’t figure out a way to walk down that aisle on his hands, as I presume he has the upper body strength to support his weight - the problem there being getting his legs to balance above him.

Why is over 150 lbs. of dead weight in the aisle a safety issue?
Really?
BTW, if the airline even considered letting you sign a waiver absolving them of responsibility if you fell off that cart or otherwise had a mishap in the aisle, I would among those protesting such an irresponsible action. You have no right to sign away the rights of others on that flight if you become a hindrance.

Dead weight? You know absolutely NOTHING about my ability to get myself up and off the ground when and if an accident occurs. I’d put the time it takes at no more than 30 seconds. Are you going for the record for offensive remarks made, DUDE? And secondly, I weigh much less than you are assuming I do. :cool:

Why is this not a viable alternative? Thousands of folks use Depends/diapers (including astronauts); it is a legitimate product.

mmm

And you really are just trying to be difficult. I really believe that. Being seated on an aisle chair, with an over-the-lap seatbelt securing me in the seat, in the close confines of an airplane aisle, I cannot even IMAGINE the circumstances which could result in KNOCKING ME out of the chair. BUT, even if that WERE the case, I’d be back in that chair in seconds. And you’d be UNAFFECTED, and you could go to your STAR TREK convention just like you planned with no inconvenience.

Well, I’m not going to space and I’m not a geriatric. What demographic do you think makes up those “thousands of folks” that use them? Do you use them? I’m not wearing a fucking diaper. But thanks for the tip. Why don’t u use them?

So in other words, and this is just the plain fact, anywhere from 3x to 6x as long as it would take an able-bodied person?

How much slower than you would a typical paraplegic be, do you think? Remember, for aircraft weight considerations, we have space for one solution on most jets.

Well, GOOD because if YOU were knocked OUT of the chair, thirty SECONDS is THIRTY seconds too long FOR you to get back IN the chair during AN ongoing problem.
So wear the strap like a good passenger and shaddup.

Haarty=hargh=harh=hargh! I didn’t realize there were so many unfound comedians out there!

You are effin ridiculous, how long do you think it would take for the attendant to move the drink cart down the length of the aisle? Or the old lady who is hobbling down the aisle to get to her seat? Huh? I’d say longer than 30 seconds.