Also, somewhat inevitably over the past 30-some years, anyone in Russia aware of navy issues would have a kind of low expectation of the condition of the fleet. See elsewhere on this site: Kuznetsov saga. Or for something far more tragic and horrifying remember the Kursk. So hearing that one of the vessels while actively engaged in war operations had a major malfunction that left it a total write-off is not as “shameful” as, like HMS_Irruncible mentions, being got the better of by those bloody peasants.
You sank my battleship!
Take this for what it’s worth; Operator Starsky is a press officer in the Ukrainian military, so is clearly not without bias. Russian World/Russian Peace:
The Moska should have been able to detect and avoid these missiles and for some reason did not - and that may be one reason why the Russians are presenting this as an accident. They don’t want Ukraine or the West to know that their detection systems didn’t work as advertised. If it is true of this ship, it may be true of other ships that have similar systems.
I suspect a lot of their stuff isn’t working as advertised and that’s not something they want anyone to know.
More than that - that ship’s primary function was to protect the rest of the fleet from missile attack - to have lost that ship to missile attack really lays bare how awful the Russian military are.
To give credit where it’s due, it did succeed in that mission with respect to one missile.
Reminds me of Melvin, the superhero puppet (1:19 for the right bit)
“Can you stop a speeding bullet?”
“Once.”
Shame then it was hit with two …
Brings to mind the old electronics about the $500 component protected by a 50¢ fuse (it will protect the fuse by blowing first).
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Apparently, the Moskva might have been “distracted” by decoy Ukrainian drones at the time of the attack. I’ve seen reports that mention this as fact and some that say it is still unconfirmed.
For modern anti-missile systems that are working well and being operated properly, this shouldn’t have mattered; such modern detection systems are easily capable of detecting multiple threats at the same time (certainly far more than 3), and modern close-in-weapons-systems (CIWS) are very capable of engaging multiple threats at the same time.
The going rumor is that while this may be true, the system needs to be aimed in a particular direction and is blind outside its field of view.
Perhaps. But I believe US ships have redundant systems which eliminate such blind spots. I would imagine that properly functioning Russian ships do too.
Which is another way of saying that the Russian Navy may, logistically and technically speaking, be operating as poorly as the Russian Army.
Conventional wisdom says that a country must choose between sea power and land power, or both will suffer. The US is the only exception.
Russia/USSR could have been a formidable land power, but they clung to the ambition of being a dual power like the US. Consequently, both strategies are severely under-resourced (but especially the Navy).
Ukraine likely also had/has the advantage of being intimately familiar with the capabilities and limitations of Soviet-era systems, both from being a former Soviet Socialist Republic itself and from literally having built the Moskva. If you look under “builder” she was constructed at 61 Kommunara Shipbuilding Plant, which is the modern day Mykolayiv Shipyard located in Mykolaiv, Ukraine.
Hah! That fiasco followed this one with the poor old Kuznetsov.
I would wager that it’s a virtual certainty. For the most part, wartime naval operations aren’t that different than peacetime ones, except that very infrequently you fire missiles or get hit by them. So what that means in practical terms is that the navies that have the $$$ to actually deploy and do stuff are much more likely to be effective in wartime because they’ve had the practice sailing, using their radars, and so forth.
I kind of get the impression that the Russians aren’t exactly sailing their fleets all over the world all the time like the US and Royal Navies do and this is the result.
If we’re going to discuss Russian naval fubars, I’m obliged to post about the Baltic fleet (video).
There was a recent Russian Naval exercise near Ireland that Irish fisherman disrupted. So they do train, but no, not like the US or UK.
Using the drone as a spotter/distraction should be basically irrelevant - on a ship like that you shouldn’t have to steer your radar and pick which target/direction you’re tracking. The radar system on the ship can most likely track dozens of targets while also looking out for new ones in every direction. At least by design. So either the equipment is really broken down, or their crew is wildly incompetent, or both.
A four missile attack on a ship of that type should be very easy to defeat. Pretty much any ship in the US navy down to a frigate would’ve been fine.