The Punk Rock Thread

I just finished watching * The Filth and the Fury, * a documentary on the Sex Pistols. A quick search revealed that we apparently have never had a thread devoted to punk music, so without further ado…EVERYONE SPIT ON THE FLOOR!!!

But seriously…let’s talk bands. I really like the Buzzcocks. I’m not sure if Bikini Kill really counts, but I’d like to get more into them. And of course, the old school stuff, Pistols, The Clash, Ramones, etc. But I find it hard to find good modern punk bands that haven’t fallen into that Blink 182 black hole of pop-punk. Any suggestions?

Excuse me, I must go affix some safety pins to my person.

Rancid, baby!!!
Henry Rollins pretty much kicks ass, as well.
Does anyone remember The Dead Milkmen, I loved those guys.

Sorry for a bad start, but Buzzcocks were very adament that their name was “Buzzcocks,” not “The Buzzcocks.”

Minor Threat and 7 Seconds.

Are both a couple bands I listened to way back when and have again recently given an ear to. You’re not going to go wrong with any Minor Threat and 7 Seconds “Walk Together, Rock Together” is pretty good as well.

Good modern punk bands? hmm… I got none.

I’m not sure if they qualify, but I’m rather fond of Cub and Sleater-Kinney.

Umm, I fondly remember Iggy Pop sucking on my finger and spitting in my face back in the day. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Now, Iggy plays golf, and I tube-feed hawks. That ol’ scoundrel Time’s a bitch…

Rancid’s new album is fucking hardcore. Until recently I would have said Guttermouth but I’m not so sure about them since they signed with Epitaph. You best bet for punk is to stick to the 70’s and 80’s - Descendents, early Clash, Operation Ivy, Dead Kennedy’s, Minor Threat…etc.

Always was a Minor Threat, Misfits, and Dead Kennedys man myself. Horror of horrors, I never got into the Ramones. I am often told that this alone is sufficient enough to not be considered punk. :shrug:

Modern punk isn’t like old punk… but would you really want it to be? I have never knowingly heard blink 182 but I’m familiar enough with the pop-punk sound. I though NOFX pulled it off rather well.

For most new goo dpunk I look underground to local music, but Sleater Kinney’s “Call the Doctor” is a fine example of what relatively recent music can bring. The OP mentioned Bikini Kill, I was a fan of Red Aunts so you might check out “#1 Chicken” which is a fun album.

I drifted to emo some time ago, and would recommend anyone who has the spare cash should pick up Cap’n Jazz’s “Analphabeta…” something or other anthology.

In the words of a poster here, whose name escapes me, “punk snot dead.” Wasn’t that an SNL skit? :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d agree with these sentiments, but we seem to have been inhabiting different punk worlds. Let me pull out my laptop and see some bands that I like enough to keep instantly accessible on disk…
Adverts, Alley Cats, Black Flag, Buzzcocks, Cramps, Damned, Dead Boys, Devo, Dictators, Eddie & the Hot Rods, Husker Du, Ian Dury, The Jam, Johnny Thunders, Magazine, Gary Numan, Patti Smith, Penetration, PiL, Ramones, Rezillos, Richard Hell & the Voidoids, the Ruts, Sham69, The Slits, Slaughter & the Dogs, Stranglers, The Dils, D.I., TSOL, Vibrators, Wire, X, X Ray Spex, etc etc.

Oh yes, there is so much great stuff people haven’t discovered in the good old punk era. And lots of it is now being reissued on CD. None of this new modern alleged “punk” comes anywhere close to it.

The closest I ever got to Iggy was standing in line behind him at the Ralph’s grocery store on Sunset Blvd while he was buying a bottle of vodka. Oooh that woman that was hanging on his arm…
Yes, time’s a bitch. I year or two ago, I was depressed for weeks after hearing of the suicide of Wendy O Williams (of the Plasmatics). She ran a “wildlife refuge” for squirrels in her backyard, and was known locally as “the squirrel lady.” Oh what an ignoble end for a woman who once rode atop an unpiloted school bus loaded with dynamite into a wall of television sets.

I’m not sure it’s possible for anything to be punk anymore. Now, it’s true that I’m becoming an old fart reactionary as the hair falls out and the bills come in, but it’s not just that I think everything was better when I was a kid. It’s also not that I think it’s impossible to make interesting, fun, ground-breaking music anymore. It’s that for me, the essence of punk was a reaction to a set of conditions that don’t (indeed, can’t) exist anymore: the bloated pretense of most popular music of the early/mid-seventies, the concentration of the music industry in the hands of a few major record companies, the smell of naivete and fuzzy-headed mysticism that still pervaded so much of popular culture at the time, and not least of all the economic malaise of the mid-seventies, the sense of severely circumscribed opportunity.

Today, any musical act that even approaches the level of self-importance and humorlessness achieved by Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Yes, and even (god bless 'em) The Who at times, is quickly taken down several pegs by the press and fans. The tendency is still there, of course, but (largely as a result of punk) no one will ever take it seriously again.

The current consolidation of the music business, and the “entertainment industry” in general, in the hands of a very few extremely large conglomerates, might seem to offer a new opportunity for punk, but it remains far easier for an upstart band to create and distribute their own CDs than it’s ever been before. I railed against CD as a format for several years, when there were only a couple of plants in the world that produced CDs and their production capacity was monopolized by Sony, CBS, and Warner Bros. (et al.). I never anticipated the flood of rereleased material that would hit the market later, making long-unavailable music readily accessible again, nor the degree to which independent labels (and now individuals) would obtain the ability to produce and distribute CDs. There’s no comparison with the pre-CD world, where producing and pressing even a 45, much less a full album, was a difficult and expensive proposition far beyond the means of any but the most successful bands.

During the first go-round, punk not only kicked over the walls, but also ripped up the foundations, of these conditions, ensuring by the mere fact of its having happened, for instance, that no one would ever assume that you had to have millions of dollars worth of gear and a major record deal to be regarded as force to reckon with, either in the music industry or society in general.

Finally, the relative prosperity of the last ten years or so means that the kids who’re the age at which punk is a viable position have never had any reason to be other than optimistic about the future. They’ve never pounded the pavement trying to find someone who’ll hire them for a minimum wage job. The essential frustration at the core of punk is missing today. Even the acts and stances that would have marked someone out as unhireable before the early nineties are just another fashion statement now – odd hair colors and styles, facial and body piercings, and unorthodox clothing styles have been part of the mainstream business culture (at least in the Internet segment) for several years now, and no longer put those who sport them beyond the pale. The stakes are a whole lot lower than for a kid the same age with the same clothing, hair color and piercings in 1977 – I daresay none of them has ever been offered a job making tea at the BBC. There are still kids who’re angry at the world and who’re looking for an outlet (always have been, always will be), and punk as a style will always appeal to some subset of them, but the targets for their anger are less obvious and less universal now than they’ve ever been.

Punk’s not dead, but like a lot of us, it found out that sometimes being successful at what you set out to do is the first step toward becoming irrelevant.

rackensack, nicely said. It’s tough to be punk when the mainstream has stolen all of your attitude and repackaged it for mass consumtion.

There are other factors at play too. I for one blame the internet.

The same kids who twenty years ago were cranking out dissonant soundscapes in response to an unfeeling society are today sitting in front of a monitor downloading porn and cracking code. Think about it, if Joey Ramone and Lee Ving were young today, they’d probably be on the forefront of some web revolution.

And don’t write off the porn theory too soon either. You give a rebellious dissatisfied youth broadband nooky and there’s a good chance that the guitar is going to gather dust.

Very good comments from everyone.
For the record, I am 31, and missed the original onslaught of punk by about eight years.

There are, however, some great bands out now that I would consider punk, though my definition may be a bit broad.

My favorite punk band right now is ** Refused**; their masterpiece is ** The Shape of Punk to Come**. Made as a one-off after the band decided to break up to pursue other interests, this record brings all of their divergent energies into one disc; anyone disenchanted with the state of punk today should get this. This is what the Nation of Ulysses could have been if they’d held it together (another essential band, by the way…) There’s plenty out there, we just don’t have the benefit of hindsight to make it easier to see.

Some other good ones are Les Savy Fav, Q and not U, !!!, Dismemberment Plan, …

Love Ramones.

Love Clash.

Also, Social Distortion. Lame lyrics, but the guitars rip.

Do the Pixies qualify as punk? Surely a guy who writes the lines “Slicing up eyeballs, I want you to know/Girlie so groovy, I want you to know/I am un chien Andalusia” deserves a mention. What – by the way – is “un chien Andalusia?”

What about early Replacements? I saw Husker Du in one of the other posts. If Bob Mould makes the list, then let’s not forget the 'Mats. One of the Replacements is in Guns and Roses now. I don’t know if that’s a good sign or a bad one, punk-wise – or for whom – but there you have it.

Every time I hear a song by Pearl Jam on the radio, it makes me want to cut out my own spleen with a jagged piece of shale. I can’t explain that, really, but it feels good to get it off of my chest. Thanks.

Q and not U are friggin incredible! I have been trying to spread the word on SDMB for awhile now. Dismberment plan and Burning airlines (ex Jawbox) too. Is there any new Q and not U coming out soon?

Debaser is a song about a short film ‘Un Chien Andalou’ cowritten/codirected by artist Salvador Dali in 1928. The Pixies aren’t so much punk as indie rock. They lead the way for bands like pavement and sebadoh. Basically Pixies took what seventies bands like VU or even television did and injected some serious rock feel to it. I love the pixies.

The first band that popped into my head when I read the OP was Sleater-Kinney, but since everybody else has mentioned them I guess I’ll shut up.
As far as punk in the Buzzcocks/Clash/Ramones tradition, the only examples I can think of are the aforementioned Rancid, the Queers, Chixdiggit!, Screeching Weasel (are they still around?), the Mr. T Experience, and Me First & The Gimme Gimmes, all of whom are somewhat one-note and/or gimmicky, and leave a lot to be desired, IMO. I’m more interested in the offshoots of punk, what has been called emo or just indie rock - Yo La Tengo, Luna, Built To Spill, Boyracer, Jawbreaker (now Jets To Brazil, basically), like that. Most of my favorite punk bands - Husker Du, The Clash, The Replacements - eventually moved beyond punk into more varied musical territory, and that’s the stuff that’s had a more lasting impact on modern music, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think the political and social elements that begat punk’s first wave are in place anymore, so we’re not likely to get the same kind of momentum these days (plus it’s all benn commodified, as has been stated). But there’s still a lot of vital music that originated with punk, and I think there always will be.

pez spread the Q & ! U to me already, and I love it.

Un chien andalou was a film in the late 1920’s, directed by Salvador Dali. “Debaser” is in reference to the film.

And not only does pez hook me up with the new music, he’s quicker on the draw with Pixies trivia than I am.

I’d like to give a big wave to all those folks who helped me rip my sweaters and enjoy the finer vintages of Thunderbird in the alley behind Ford’s Theatre. Here’s to:

Bad Brains
Government Issue
Scream
Marginal Man (Double Image re-released!)
Black Market Baby
The million incarnations of Ian and Alec
The U.K. might be punk’s birthplace (unless you count MC5), but DC made it what it isn’t today.