What? :dubious:
Whites are violating dumb gun laws as much as African Americans are, yet for some reason African Americans end up going to prison more often for the same crime, a few yrs ago ( sorry no cite I cant find it ) it was so bad the CA chapter on the naacp complained about it.
So contemporary gun laws are not written specifically mentioning race, they are racist in implementation. Lil Wayne went to prison for the same crime David Crosby got a slap on the wrist for.
You know who else bloody well died?
I just looked it up and Crosby’s gun charge was lenient because it was registered in California and stowed safely in his luggage. Lil Wayne was found with someone else’s gun in a paper bag.
I think the way you characterized this wasn’t very accurate.
you say guns are unhealthy, I say if you’re alive that you will die. come on man, keep up!
But guns can kill me sooner than old age. That’s what guns are for.
Our brave white hero left his gun unattended to be found by someone and you call that safely stored??? As if a stolen gun has never been used in a crime maybe? He still violated NYC’s strict strict gun law and did not do time.
Lil Wayne didn’t hurt anyone, he didn’t leave the gun laying around to be stolen, he secured it.
Yet for some reason ( wink wink say no more say no more nudge nudge ) he has to do prison time.
The Rap guy does time the Rock guy goes free for relatively the same harmless crime.
Racism
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I have a bridge for sale btw.
guns are not for killing, if they were then the USA’s woman’s Olympic shooting team wouldn’t be the best in the world
. Ted Kennedy’s car killed more people then my gun.
Cars are*** for*** racing, that’s why I own a 22 yr old toyota with 245 thousand miles, I’m a racer
Did you notice the part where I explained it to you?
You don’t think having someone else’s gun in a paper bag while you’re high is worse than having your legally registered gun, stored unloaded in your luggage?
You aren’t doing very well in this thread.
Yes, they are. They can be used for other purposes, but they are weapons first and foremost.
I think you don’t notice how dangerous Crosby was, I’ve own ten hand guns over the past 15 yrs, I have never left one somewhere for some stranger to find. I have never violated NYC strict gun laws, I always check the laws before I travel .
I have traveled quite a bit, somehow managed to never ever lose track of my gun so that some one else could find it.
You are so married to your argument you cant admit that David deserved the same treatment as Lil Wayne ( or vice/versa)… Crosby’s crime was worse, like Crosby isn’t high? the guy will never be straight - you’re quite unfamiliar with the drug taking habits of seventies rock stars aren’t you. If he doesn’t ingest a drug the rest of his life he is still a complete stoner who would*** leave his gun unattended and let some stranger find it and do the right thing and call the cops!*
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But OMG the bad bad rap man is buzzed and secures a gun so that it doesn’t get lost or stolen, “send him to prison mr police man” He’s not a nice old white guy who teaches* his children well, their parents hell, did slowly go by*
The law is supposed to be applied evenly, the anti gun control freaks cant stand the idea that young African American men can have a gun, it freaks them the eff out.
Yet they’re good progressives so they just enforce the law unfairly - I’m not doing bad in this argument at all, you’re just so wed to your belief system that when you send the Rap guy to prison you justify it while letting the white Rock guy skate***. Racist!***
Gun laws were historically racist in America for the good and simple reason that damn near everything in America was tinged with racism. In my native Texas there was no law whatever against a black man carrying a pistol. But God help you if the police found you with it.
Dopers of mature years may recall the general and unanimous losing of the shit when Black Panther’s legally bore guns around the capitol in Sacramento. Mostly a stunt, but an effective one, one that made the Panther’s prominent, and sealed their doom. And it all got uglier, and people died.
All due to a great and surpassing evil. But it wasn’t guns. In my lifetime, a great deal of progress has been made combating that evil. I see America’s gun fetish as a lesser evil, and apparently more stubborn than the greater evil. And so it went, and so it goes.
Cultural and social change is slow, agonizingly slow. Laws that express such change are mostly good, laws that seek to impose such change are useless. But that change can happen, if enough good people have the will. I think there are enough, and I think we do. But brothers and sisters, pals and gals, its gonna take a long, long time. And even as we speak, a rough beast is slouching over his ammo, planning for his moment.
Laws don’t make racism, people make racism.
Laws may not make racism, but they can facilitate it. Even laws which aren’t intended to do that.
Here’s a real-life example, from a gun control perspective.
Nebraska requires a person to obtain a special Permit to Purchase a Firearm in order to obtain a handgun legally. On paper, the process is simple: you go to the Sherrif’s office with your state-issued photo ID (a driver’s license is fine), fill out some paperwork, pay a $10 fee, and undergo a background check. Assuming you pass the background check, the permit will be issued within three days of the application.
Handguns are the most commonly misused firearm, so requiring a special permit to buy one seems reasonable. But let’s look at how this law plays out in real life.
- There is only one Sherrif’s office in Omaha which accepts handgun permit applications. It’s located on the western side of town (the “nice” side of Omaha), and there’s absolutely no public transportation to it. Not a problem for me; I own a car, so I drove there. But poor people living in the “bad” eastern side of town might have to take a cab to get there if they don’t own a car and can’t bum a ride from a friend. The round-trip cab fair would be in the neighborhood of $60. So a poor person might be looking at a potential permit cost of up to $130 ($10 application fee plus $60 cab fair to get to and from the Sherrif’s office plus another $60 in cab fair if the permit isn’t issued on the spot and they have to come back for it later).
Suddenly that “inexpensive” permit’s looking a bit pricy. (And then there’s the issue of what the person’s going to use for ID if they don’t have a Nebraska driver’s license…)
- The hours during which you can apply for a handgun permit are 8:30 AM - 4:00 PM, Monday through Friday. There are no evening or weekend hours.
Again, that was not a barrier for me; as a salaried professional, I don’t punch a time clock. I just stopped by the Sherrif’s office on a morning when I knew I could afford to come to work a bit late, and made up the lost time by working late that evening.
But many poor people DO punch a time clock. Their jobs often have rigid hours, and they may have to forego a day’s pay to take time off from work (since their jobs may not offer any vacation time). So they may have to give up as much as two days’ pay in order to get that permit.
Now that “inexpensive” handgun permit is looking anything but cheap, isn’t it?
And did I mention that “nice” western Omaha is predominantly white, and the poor eastern part of the city is almost exclusively black and Hispanic? Did I even need to?
The law wasn’t intended to be racist or classist, I’m sure, but in actual implementation it most certainly is. How is this different from those odious voter ID laws which make it harder for poor people to vote?
When it comes to drafting gun control laws, we need to watch out for these sort of unintentional effects. Poverty by itself is no reason to restrict the exercise of any Constitutional right.
I’d say that’s probably true of a great many different laws - the failure is in the implementation, not the concept of the law itself.
Demonstrably untrue. I have guns around all the time and I’m not dead.
The root cause of violence is not the implement thereof. It just happens to be easier to blame the tool rather address any of the complex issues that lead to violent crime.
And sharks don’t eat people, because someone, somewhere, once swam with a shark and wasn’t eaten.
I agree that minorities would be prosecuted more vigorously than whites for gun law violations, the same as virtually every other law. That doesn’t make the law or its creators racist, it is just an acknowledgment that law enforcement in the US is not color blind.
When the chief opposition to gun control comes from the Republicans and the Republicans are the party of white people first, then it’s pretty conclusive that the origins of gun control is not seeped in racism.
Millions swam near sharks last year; 17 died…
sorta like registered gun owners and murders related to registered gun owners?
So far nobody has supported unequal enforcement of the law. Attempt to make an argument instead of calling other posters racist.