The Racist Roots of Gun Control

You don’t, and you aren’t. Guns don’t make people safer.

They probably don’t make YOU safer. Sorry for your condition. I’ll try to cover for you.

They don’t make people in general safer, including the people who own them. And given the general attitudes of pro-gun people, I think you are more likely to be inclined to kill me than help me if you were to encounter me.

LOL. This is the paranoia we face.

Message me if you’re ever in Wyoming. I’ll take you shooting.

No. The police do. You don’t.

I don’t carry a gun? The total denial of reality from some of you guys is astounding.

I can’t tell you the last time I’ve seen a policeman. I certainly don’t have one following me around.

It’s not paranoia when gun fetishists make a point of showing up with guns at political rallies and we hear speeches about “Second Amendment solutions”. Nor is it paranoia when the statistics show that guns in a home are more likely to kill themselves or an innocent than a criminal.

Feeling the need to arm yourself because the criminal horde is going to descend upon you at any moment; that’s paranoia.

Outside of the name calling your claim there is false.

Please provide a cite.

The odds of an American being a victim of violent crime in any given year is about 2%, if I recall correctly. I’m sure it’s somewhat lower in Wyoming. We’re pretty much all armed.

Two things about statistic about being more likely to kill an innocent than a criminal:

  1. This is discredited claptrap from the 80s. They counted “friends and family members” as innocents, wherein anyone known to the attempted victim was a “friend”. And family members and people known to the attempted victim are the most likley perpetrators.

  2. You ignore the deterent effect I mentioned earlier.

That being said, it’s irrelevant. In 35 years of owning/carrying , I haven’t shot any innocents.

You’re terrified of crime in Wyoming?

I can understand people living in certain urban areas feeling the need to have a gun for self-defense, but Wyoming?

How can a gun kill itself?:wink:

You do not carry a gun to protect “my own life, my friends’ lives, my family’s lives, and the lives of innocents.” The police do. I hope I never have to depend on an amateur/vigilante gun owner to protect me from a threat! He’d be more dangerous to me than the bad guys! Far better if he’s not around-and-armed at all when the punks or the maniacs come for me!

Nope. We have low crime rates, and like it that way. So we keep doing what works.

Keep screaming what I don’t do. Try doing it louder. Maybe it will become true.

Like this?

Which brings me to another point:

Studies repeatedly show that private citizens are quicker to stop violent crime, and far less likely to shoot innocents, than are the police. Mostly because they are there when it happens, and I suspect, more careful. If I shoot a guy by mistake, I go to jail. If the cops do, they get a few months of paid leave, at worst.

Also, I’ve shot with many cops. Most police are required to qualify once a year, shooting 50-100 rounds. I shoot 200+ rounds per session, maybe 15 times per year.

I’m a mediocre amateur, but I’ll give even money that I can outshoot four out of five randomly selected police officers at any course of fire they prefer.

Edit: The cops I shot with where from the Detroit area. The only cop I know in Wyoming is Sheriff Baze. I think I heard he can shoot.

What makes a police officer valuable is not his skill at shooting, its his judgement in knowing when not to.

And these studies, which have shown? Repeatedly? Right at your fingertips, are they? Then by all means, share. See, here on the citing range, you are expected to be able to do that.

Keeps the alligators away, too.

Oh, you are not. See the numerous posts above with idiotic claims for evidence.

And where do the police get their judgement? If you say “training” or the “selection process” I’ll laugh until I cry. I actually know some police officers.

Look, if these “studies” exist and they’re reliable then they should be easy to produce.

Please do so.

Thanks.

Yeah. Obviously there are more factors at work influencing the crime rate in Wyoming than just gun ownership. But I’m so sick of the the antis saying “but but but Canada!” and “but but but England!” that I had to do it.

The crime rate in my house, with 100% gun ownership, is lower than that of any country in the world. So is the suicide rate. Valuable information, that.

There’s always one wise apple who reads through multiple pages of baseless claims that support his opinion, then smugly asks me to produce a cite.

You’re not worth my time.

How about giving me a cite that shows that “What makes a police officer valuable is not his skill at shooting, its his judgement in knowing when not to.” Or just go away.