The Real Queen?

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Summary: Elizabeth Kelman was born around 3 June 1934 in Ohio. However, she claims that the US Military has revealed to her that she was in fact born around 3 June 1934 in England, and is the illegitimate daughter of King Edward VIII and Bessie Wallis Warfield Simpson. She offers a number of “proofs” on her site, including photographs, engraved trinkets and a genealogy chart.

I hoped the good people of the Straight Dope could offer their opinions on the validity of her claim. I personally believe she’s utterly deluded, but I would like to know if anyone out there can offer their opinions on why her story is or isn’t accurate.

I didn’t know where to put this thread. It’s not a “great” debate, it’s a question with a factual answer but none of us will have enough information to answer… so I thought it best qualified as mundane. I’m sorry if I picked the wrong catagory.

Well, I just looked at the site… absolute garbage. The so-called “evidence” is shoddy even by conspiracy-theorist standards.

And if there were any remotely solid evidence to substantiate this claim, a DNA test would clear it up in short order… the Royal Family have cooperated with genealogical inquiries in the past. (“Ah,” says the conspiracy theorist, “but if they cooperated with this one, the current Queen would lose her position, so they won’t…” Rubbish. An unacknowledged illegitimate daughter of an abdicated king has no more claim on the throne of England than I do.)

Yikes. Here’s another vote for “utterly deluded.” My goodness. Her “proofs” (which the extremely credulous newspaper article on the site called “strong circumstantial evidence”) are ridiculous. In fact, there is no proof at all. The “evidence” found in the jewelry and signatures isn’t supported at all – Ms. Kelman seems to have simply taken these random items and applied her own – completely unsubstantiated – interpretations to them. And why the hell would the US military become involved with something like this? The whole thing is just obvious nonsense.

The guest book was very interesting, BTW. In a depressing way. My God, the world is full of stupid people. <sigh>

Jess

How can anyone believe this woman is the Queen when it’s so obvious that she’s really the Princess Anastasia?

Looks like complete rubbish to me. But, even if she were in fact Edward and Wallis’s daughter, she wouldn’t be the “Real Queen” for two reasons.

First, her account is that she was born before the Duke and Duchess were married. Illegitimate children do not have a claim on the throne, as the Duke of Monmouth discovered.

Second, when King Edward abdicated, the U.K. Parliament passed His Majesty’s Declaration of Abdication Act, 1936 to regulate the matter. Section 1(2) of that Act provides:

So, even if she came up with iron-clad proof that Edward was her dad, the current Queen would continue to reign.

Now this is why I love you guys!

Other forums on the internet have reacted with words like “Wow, bet knowing that the true Queen of England is an American drives the Royal Family nuts!”, but (like me) you people are incurable sceptics, and say “What a load of crap!”. Still, I wondered if I was just being WAY too negative about this.

It’s just that her “proof” seems so ludicrous. Like the “Genealogy Chart”, which shows that James Kenneth, the son of Mrs Kelman was born on Ernest Simpson’s 55th birthday. I mean, what the hell does that prove? All of the highlighted coincidences in date and name add up to nothing at all. Also, in the photo section, note the obvious posing of the grandson in order to recreate the look of Prince Albert - how many young men had mutton chops in 1996?

Then there’s the matter of the dates on the charms and jewels. She’s claiming the charm with the 3 on it was to commemorate the three of them, Edward, Wallis and child. Yet the date she’s singled out of the three (March 12 1934) is nearly three months before the date she claims their child was born on. Why would it be significant? Then they claim that June 1-4 1934 on another charm is the dates Wallis spent in hospital after the birth. In the 50’s my grandmother was kept in hospital for around 10 days after giving birth. It seems unlikely that Wallis would have been released so quickly to me. Then there’s a charm that says “I doo too July” and it looks like the letters OK, but they say it’s a baby (turn your head to the side). Why would they have a baby charm inscribed with July if they thought their baby died in June?

As for the photographs, I believe they’ve mistaken resemblance in style, fashion and pose for resemblance in looks. There’s no similarities between the Royal family and the Kelman family that I can see, although perhaps YMMV. All I see is photographs showing people with similar hair styles and wearing similar clothes. All photos from 1996 on are obviously staged to look like the royal shots - that’s when Elizabeth Kelman recieved her divine revelation.

I had also found the notion that the US Government was dragged in to cover up the birth laughable. I’m afraid it seems that many Americans are unable to believe that other countries have their own intelligence and defence agencies. If this story was believable in every other detail, I would still find it hard to swallow the idea that King George had to get America to make his baby grandchild disappear for him. Something like this would have to be handled by closest and most loyal aides, involving as few others as possible. And why America? Wouldn’t King George be a little sick of all things American after his son and heir managed to knock up a married American woman who already had one divorce behind her?

Please, I’d love to hear more insights on this story. Are there any “facts” left unchallenged? Any more blatant lapses in logic that haven’t been exposed? Let’s defeat this woman totally, lest she spread her ignorance to others.

that Wallis Simpson was a hermaphradite. Which would be detrimental to her having kids, wouldn’t it?

When I saw this I thought it might be about The Forbidden Zone (produced by Richard Elfman, starring Herve Villachiez as King Fausto, Susan Tyrell as the Queen, and Danny Elfman as Satan. Also starring Hyman Diamond and The Kipper Kids). I don’t remember who played the Real Queen.

But I see I was mistaken. Please carry on.