It’s like saying an orange and a nectarine are the same thing. No, they aren’t. They are related, but they aren’t the same. How can you can intelligently about a topic when you can’t even get terms correct? Answer: you can’t.
Medicare is geared towards people 65+ and would be a poor fit for young people. Medicaid… is all over the place. Some programs are definitely better than others. If you’re going to expand Medicaid WHICH Medicaid are you going to use?
And just “covering more” isn’t going to get the job done - we need to cover everyone.
Ok, Medicare and Medicaid AREN’T the same thing. I admit it. So what? Why is Medicare a poor fit for young people?
I don’t know which Medicaid to expand. Nor am I saying it’s a good idea or bad idea. But maybe it could be looked at? Maybe a state with a good Medicaid plan could be looked at to replicate across the US? I live in Maryland, its Medicaid plan is pretty good. I have family members that are on Medicaid here, and they go to the same clinics that I go to. Maybe expand that?
Again, you are arguing terminology, not policies. I know the difference between Medicaid and Medicare. Who cares? They are programs that seem to be successful. I believe that successful programs should be expanded. Maybe you don’t.
That’s something like 1600 1800 dollars each day in a hospital type facility, and even in your own facility its something like 200 or 300 per day? Or maybe more, i’m not sure.
All that money wasted, just so i can die?
Surely there is something a lot more worthwhile to spend it on than something i am going to do for free anyway.
When the time actually comes, and it’s not theoretical anymore, I have no doubt Mr. Weisshund will be begging for any comfort and pain relief he can get, and damn the cost.
Blathering about what a hard-ass you are, and how you’ll just suffer away is mighty easy when sitting on your ass typing on your computer.
Well, at least you admit you’re not honest. Or maybe you just can’t write any better than you can think.
You’re either a total idiot who thinks health care is unnecessary (except for stitches, of course) or a shameless hypocrite, or (I suspect) probably both. The kind of hypocrite who whines and moans the loudest when they’re dying and in pain and in desperate need of help. But since you don’t appear to have sufficient perception to be convinced of your own idiocy and you’re certainly not going to convince anyone here that they’ll never need health care, perhaps it’s best that you just go away instead of parading your faux-masochistic delusions here every few days.
Well, hey, they’ve been looking for 6 years. I’m sure given a few more days, they can hammer together something.
It’s just a shame they didn’t learn that it’s a good idea to have your replacement for a crucial system ready to roll out before you break the old one. They should try this lesson the next time they move - they should burn their old house down, then start looking for a new place to live. See how well that works for them.
“Hospice” is not the same as “hospital”. My father-in-law, mother, and father all opted for hospice and all died at home in their own beds, not a “hospital type facility”. You admit you’re “not sure” - how about you actually educate yourself?
The notion you wouldn’t opt for palliative care is ludicrous - you’re dying in agony (as an example) and you’d refuse painkillers? Palliative care is about symptom relief and comfort, which aren’t always medically intensive or highly expensive.
The problem with the sort of insurance you deem adequate for your needs is that in the vast majority of cases when some really serious illness happens the people opting for “just stitches” have second thoughts and realize they really want more care than that. Which winds up costing the rest of us more than if they had been properly covered because doctors, nurses, other personnel, and various institutions wind up providing that care “for free” - which, of course, it isn’t because those people still have to be paid, supplies paid for, etc.
A friend of mine once declared he didn’t care about making any plans for his retirement. He declared “He’d get by, hell he’d eat Cat food if he had to”.
Luckily, the other friend whose house this was had a Cat. So I got a fork and a tin of Cat food and challenged him to eat it here and now, as doing so in the future wouldn’t be a problem.
Needless to say, the Cat did not lose a future meal.
Price got a plan, Trump got a plan, Congress gonna get a plan one of these days. All God’s chillun got a plan… Let’s make sure the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is up to. Do these clowns have any idea how stupid this makes them look?? :rolleyes:
Here’s my plan. The Republicans install a genuine single payer plan, like Obama didn’t even dare to attempt, and call it their own. We, the Loyal Opposition, will promise to pretend it never crossed our minds, that we will praise this startling Republican program to the very skies, and lay all the credit at their feet. They totally outsmarted us, we will humbly admit, but they have shown us the Way, and the Light.
Don’t want to see any more news specials about doctors and nurses working for free in impromptu clinics out in the sticks, people waiting overnight for the simplest treatment, to get a tooth fixed, to get an infection treated. And if the doctor’s office is more crowded, if I have to wait an extra hour to two because they are there, I don’t give a fuck.
Give the people what they need, let the bloodless cocksuckers take the credit, I don’t care. They don’t even have to be sincerely concerned, I don’t care if they do it for Baby Jesus or St. Ayn of Leningrad, just press the goddam button that says “Yes”!
I will not snark, I will not sneer, I will tape my mouth shut and hammer my keyboard. Just do it.
Single-payer = the government will take over health care, decimate the health insurance industry and start paying providers Medicare rates for everything.
The idea is huge and messy enough to make me think “recession” and I don’t even belong to a country club.
Think of the long term benefits though. Even if there’s short term pain while people who lose their jobs have to be retrained for something else. We’ll bounce back from it. Imagine a country with zero medical bankruptcies, where everybody who needs medical help can simply get it. Once single payer is implemented, I can’t imagine us ever going back. Think of the future generations decades and even centuries from now that will look back on our actions and thank us.
Luci is probably right in the post prior to yours. The Republicans will eventually see single payer as the only affordable solution and that’s when we’ll have it. But, like someone else once said, “it’s taking longer than we thought.”
The health insurance industry will simply move to supplementary health insurance coverage plans, like they did in other countries. “Sure TrumpCare will pay for your hospital stay, but if you want a private room, you need GreenStar insurance.”
I’m sorry, I am very open to ideas, but as of right now there is no way I’m believing that government health care as designed by modern conservatives is a goal.
It’s always good to have someone like yourself announce your opinions. I value the opinion of a random Internet poster much more than, say, health care economists who have spent a lifetime studying health care systems in major industrialized countries around the world. :rolleyes:
You are correct in one respect, however: it would seriously degrade if not entirely decimate the traditional revenues of many companies engaged in the health insurance business. This is, however, a feature and not a bug – private health insurance for medically necessary procedures is a business that is morally and functionally equivalent to racketeering. When Canada moved systematically to single-payer health insurance, province by province, and eventually adopted uniform federal guidelines for universal health care principles, the health insurance industry complained that it was going to drive them out of business. The answer from the public and their elected representatives in government was essentially, “don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out”. The country has been fine ever since.
By all means, consult the economists. Ask what’s likely to happen when the US health insurance industry tanks, all the “administrative costs” personnel are gone, and, most importantly, the $1T health care industry is forced to accept Medicare allowable costs in toto.
Also, that’s kind of a strange view of insurance companies. It’s generally accepted that people without insurance are not getting health care. There’s a reason for this.