Except, when you don’t carry health insurance, your medical costs get pushed onto everyone else. So we’re all paying for your bad choice. Just like paying to support a family left without a breadwinner, due to an accident with an uninsured driver. Paying for someone else’s bad choices.
It is analogous, not a perfect parallel.
Clothahump, I too would like to hear the answer to this.
Me, three.
Die slowly? The Right is big on the idea that money = virtue; if you can’t pay for it out of pocket then you are obviously evil, and deserve anything that happens to you.
The ACA is unpopular now because most people don’t really understand it, but they will have a better understanding of it once republicans destroy it and replace it with nothing.
But let’s be clear about something: Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan do not care what the majority of Americans think. They think they have a mandate, and in fact, they do have a mandate in reality – from their special interest groups and the radicals in their gerrymandered voting districts who keep them in power.
Not until the great masses of white working class get screwed into socioeconomic oblivion will we be able to stop the mounting disaster that’s about to happen.
So they are going to start to work on a replacement for ObamaCare after they take office?
Is this an admission that all that time since it began when they said they were looking for a replacement for ObamaCare they were lying through their teeth?
There are some lasting benefits of the abominable, failed, hated, worst-piece-of-legislation-since-the-Spanish-Inquisition known as Obamacare (also the Affordable Care Act, in case there is anyone left who doesn’t know those are two names for the same thing) that even the misguided, clueless, ignorant, destructive, Obama-hating, American-people-hating Republicans won’t be able to undo.
My bolding.
Ha! That last line made me laugh right out loud. Who, indeed, Mr. Kitchell?
Caring for patients?? Where does that come into it?
This a really long article, but this, at the end, is interesting:
Sigh.
I know that conservative ideologues like yourself tend to be allergic to actual data, especially when you have anecdotes from right wing websites instead, but here is an article on what the data shows, with links to the actual study: More data shows continued drop in number of Americans without health insurance
So, in addition to wanting to gut the protection of all American freedoms–freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to keep and bear arms, protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, protection of private property, and so on–because, I presume, you don’t think brown people who are born in this country should be citizens, you’re also pig-ignorant enough to think this can be done by two-thirds of the states.
Once upon a time that was true - but back then medicine could do so much less than it can today. When you do want to roll back to? Prior to effective treatment for many cancers? Prior to the discovery/invention of antibiotics? Prior to the discovery/manufacture of insulin for diabetics?
It’s time to admit that the US system of insisting on private, third party coverage is a failure and get on board with what the rest of the world has been doing that actually works.
Add me to this list - my spouse and I both have pre-existing conditions that have existed since childhood (his cropped up about 8 weeks after his conception).
So now Pence is taking credit for Mitch Daniel’s Healthy Indiana Plan (HIP)? What a loathsome slimeball.
Although I am getting a bit peeved about how the media is portraying the program. HIP existed before the ACA and it worked (I speak from experience on this). Not perfectly, but it most certainly did get people covered. The state wanted to continue the program rather than abolish it and force everyone on it to do something else, which would have been quite disruptive. It’s a better deal than what people can get on the exchanges at least in this state, and I suspect in many others.
I’ve seen bitching about the notion of those on the plan, even the very poor, having to pay something towards their health coverage but speaking as someone who has been on this program for nearly a decade now the costs are manageable. I don’t feel oppressed because my spouse and I have to pay $25/month to have us both covered. And by covered I mean we can get all of his diabetes and other maintenance medications without co-pays, we can visit a doctor when we need to without worrying about choosing between that and eating this week, and when the spouse spent most of December in the hospital we didn’t have to worry about being financially wiped out an hour after we first set foot in the ER. As of last year we can also see the dentist and get new glasses when we need them. Which, all in all, means we’re better off than a lot of other people.
Of course, our health care costs more than $25/month (at least his does - I’m relatively cheap to take care of). The rest of the cost is through the state government subsidizing the cost of this. Oh, no! A government program that actually works! And yeah, that government subsidy comes out of taxes. Well, shit, why don’t we just move to state-paid single-payer already? If a thoroughly Republican state like Indiana can make something like this work why can’t the rest of the country?
Wish I knew. <Posting from Texas.>
Get treatment for your dementia before its too late.
Once upon a time what was true? Are you saying that health care costs WERE so damned expensive but not anymore? Are you implying that all of a sudden health care costs are reasonable and the problem is the mustache twirling insurance companies lighting their cigars with poor peoples’ co-pays?
Honestly have no clue how you get that from what Broomstick said.
That’s why I am asking. Cuz I don’t get the connection between the quote and “Once upon a time that was true”
Mud and leeches are still freely available, as they were in the time of the Founders. Good enough for them, good enough for you!
I think it’s “once upon a time healthcare was much less expensive, but since then healthcare has advanced in both care and in cost. If you want healthcare is be much less expensive, how far do you want to go to bring costs down?”