Why do you nitpick his choice of creator to try to wreck what he said?
because Shodan believes in God or wishes to refer to God as his creator does not invalidate anything.
Aren’t we building a Strawman?
VERBETIM
“that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”
SO it is what ever God or Deity or Belief you think caused your creation.
Call it God, Vishnu, Nature, Evolution, etc.
Pick your own word and stop pissing on his
Because that argument presumes that all gods would be granting the same inalienable rights, doesn’t it?
Well…yeah. I’m pretty sure even Crom would be ok with an inalienable right to self defense. 
Well, that’s one god agreeing on one of those rights, but it’s a far cry from all dieties agreeing on the same list of rights, I think.
Well, I don’t have an exhaustive list of what all gods think about this, but if you have one that doesn’t think it’s an inalienable right that would help whatever point you are trying to make here. Do you have a single god that thinks that humans shouldn’t have a right to self defense or free speech or the others? If so, I suppose we could always amend the “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” to be “except god/goddess X, who is just a pill”…
XT,
A God that does not endorse self defense - Jesus Christ.
Crane
Or we could quit presuming without any evidence whatsoever that this list is universal in nature.
Not that evolution is a entity that anyone actually worships, but can you say it has bestowed that same set of rights? The same question for nature and/or Vishnu.
I did not call it an entity, to interject the idea is silly at best. Pointless, serves no purpose, and is irrelevant.
I did not say a word about worship, the idea of worship does not even come into play,so you can stop with your adding of nonsense stuff.
Question was answered, your adding of nonsense to re-ask the question does not and will not change the answer, and adds nothing to the debate.
Again, you have the answer, the answer never ever changes.
If we are simply going to replay episodes of Trollkins and his army of strawmen, there is no point in continuing.
But worshiping a non-existent ie mythical deity isn’t?
Haven’t you ever wondered?
If in the Southern U.S. there are nearly all the resources available in the Northern U.S.,
why with an apparent intrinsic disadvantage, did the North win the U.S. “Civil War”?
I don’t know the answer.
But I suspect that what might seem a handicap; a 10% $tithe to a church (god) [real or imagined] for example, may elevate the donor to the point that the “remaining 90%” ends up exceeding what would otherwise have been the 100%.
What other explanation is there?
I’ll tell you this:
it’s been many years since I’ve been to a church service.
But I’ve known people that have been church-goers their entire adult lives; and some of them prosper.
“god works in wondrous ways”?
Sear#229,
The South had a weak central government with few regulations on the economy. Southern railroad companies all used different rail gauges as barriers to competition. In order to move supplies across country they would have to be unloaded and reloaded each time the route required transfer to another line.
Combine that sort of thing with guys like Lee who wouldn’t defend other states and you have a losing proposition.
Crane
Blues & Greys each had their advantages and disadvantages.
The North’s industrial advantage is well reported.
When the rebel POWs were released after Appomattox some of them rode trains to get South of the Mason Dixie. Yet those former POWs were treated with more dignity than the victorious Negro troops that helped the North to victory. The latter were required to ride at the back of the train (the safest location in case of derailment).
Yep, people are no damn good!
Crane
They’re the worst kind!
Did i say a damned word about worshiping anything?
Be it man beast interstellar gas bag corpse of jordie the flipping pig or a meat fsking Popsicle, did i say any thing about worshiping a damned thing??
If you are having trouble researching the answer, it is NO
And NO i have not wondered in the context of inalienable rights at birth why the south
did not win the war, because one does not have a damned thing to do with the other.
I’m not even going to entertain you in that conversation, Why?
Because it isnt the the conversation at hand here.
And what the hell does you going to church, or not going to church have to do with the south winning the war??
And how did we get to Tithing?
This is like trying to talk to Sybil
*Up, up with people
You meet 'em wherever you go
Up, up with people
They’re the best kind of folks to know
If more people were for people
All people, everywhere
There’d be a lot less people to worry about
And a lot more people who care.*
Let’s define our terms. When people talk about “rights” today they mean using the force of government as a club to beat people over the head and get things that they want.
The basic human rights, in this case self-defense, don’t require anyone else to perform.
When someone says that health insurance or health care is a right, then they are forcing others to pay for it, or provide it. It doesn’t follow that it’s a basic human right to pick someone elses pocket now does it?
CT#237,
Could you clarify that a bit.
How do your definitions relate to the Constitution?
Crane
thank you
Isn’t the notion of natural rights closer to category three with a large helping of category 2?