A cop doesn’t. I just wanted to state in simple terms that other than police it’s basically impossible to carry in my state. The ins and out and LEOSA are irrelevant to this thread.
There was a man named Ziminski admitted to firing a warning shot seconds before Rittenhouse fired. He was behind Rosenbaum so there was no mistaking that the shot came from in front. Rosenbaum was already advancing on KR at the time. Ziminski could not be compelled to testify because he has pending charges from the night.
It very well could be. The propaganda coming from Russia, China, etc. probably outweighs domestic “memes” in these divisive cases. It’s good for them. But that’s not for this thread.
@Gyrate this article sums up the testimony of KR. Just before KR shot it talks about Ziminski. His name was brought up in earlier testimony. That he fired first was not disputed by either side.
Not when they are told not to by their leftist bosses. The riots, arson, and looting serves a political interest. That’s why they were allowed to continue for over 3 months in some cities.
If we want less racial hatred, it looks like we need to find a way for police to do their jobs that involves less murdering of unthreatening PoC.
You sound like you’re saying that Americans should just return to turning a blind eye to police abuses of power and cracking down harshly on protests of police misconduct, or else the armed white supremacist vigilantes will run amok and serve us right.
ISTM that there really needs to be a better solution than that.
And that’s apt to change under NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ) ASSOCIATION VS BRUEN if SCOTUS rules the way most think it will.
I wonder if the court considered the Rittenhouse case when considering the New York case. They did speak about “sensitive” locations. Is an area of protest a “sensitive location”?
Given the “if” in that sentence, then presumably yes.
I don’t think there’s any doubt that Rosenbaum was, objectively, not justified in attacking Rittenhouse. The question is whether (and why) he might have felt he was. And we’ll never know, because he’s dead.
The fact that you’re wondering whether that kind of sentiment is a “false flag” because it’s bad for Democrats suggests to me that you don’t really fully understand what the message of a sign like that is.
They are not worried about helping Democrats win elections. That’s a problem for the Democrats, not a problem for the protesters. Just because something is political doesn’t mean it’s blue versus red CNN chart politics.
Possibly not. But , once Rittenhouse had shot two people he was free game. Had Rittenhouse been been the third death, there would not have been a trial.
I don’t think Kent State was a “riot” and the only people armed were the Ohio National Guard; which however progressive we get I don’t think we’re going to disarm the military. I do think that incident is why today’s university Presidents would never call in the National Guard to deal with some rowdy students unless it had progressed to an extreme level.
But I would say that firearms related deaths at protests / riots (I don’t like that we lump them together), weighted by the number of participants in them, is probably not terrible high as a percentage. We’ve had some very large protests with many hundreds of thousands of protesters at big gatherings in D.C. and etc, in which no one was shot.
Is anyone saying that here though? The thing about protesting police misconduct is that they had peaceful protest in downtown Kenosha the two days prior to the shooting incident, and each night they had violent, destructive riots. It is almost like the narrative is exactly what many local community leaders said it was–bad outside elements were coming into town each night because it was a fun excuse for them to loot and burn shit. Everyone involved in the Rittenhouse shooting actually had come from outside the community, which seems to corroborate. They also were all deliberately outside the police corridor that had been established in the core blocks of downtown Kenosha, almost like again, they had shown up to loot and burn shit so went to where they knew the police would not be.
I believe even Jacob Blake’s family said “don’t riot and burn shit.” There’s a difference between peaceful protest–which Kenosha had during the daytime leading up to this shooting, and riots, which were going on each night.
At the time I couldn’t believe the commander would send in an inexperienced force with live rounds. That’s insane. When in the military, the only time I was issued a weapon in an emergency situation, we were not given ammunition.
Looks like Sam_Stone is, with his tsk-tsking about “stoking racial hatred”, which is rightwing-speak for “publicly complaining about acts of racial injustice and oppression”.
I agree with you about the “peaceful protests good, criminal riots bad” distinction regarding public unrest. But Sam is telling us that we need to stifle the protesting, not just the rioting, as it’s “stoking racial hatred”.
The Ohio National Guard’s standing rules at the time was that they would be fully armed with live rounds, so the commander was following their normally proscribed practice. The ONG changed a number of things in relation to how it could be used for crowd control purposes due to Kent State. One issue the guard had is they had a limited scope of tools–they had M1 Garands, 12 gauge shotguns, bayonets, a few pistols and tear gas canister. The tear gas being the only real non-lethal crowd control tool they had–and they were mostly ineffective that day due to the wind.
I don’t remember the guardsmen involved being particularly inexperienced though, the five who were eventually indicted criminally (and all acquitted) ranged in age from something like 27 to 38, which would be unusual if men of that age in the National Guard had not already been through multiple enlistments.
Nitpick: “prescribed”. “Proscribed” means forbidden or prohibited, while “prescribed” means recommended or required, so it’s one of those cases where a one-letter typo can really change the meaning.