The scourge that is the demon weed

As my 88 year old mother has gone through serious medical issues (broken hip, crushed vertebra) she discovered that no meds helped.

It took my wife and I about 2 years to get my mom to consider alternatives. Her doctors are no help and just patronizing. With the opinions that she is ‘just gonna die anyway’. I’ve been able to help a little in that I accompany my mother at every doctor visit now with a pad and paper. THAT gets them to be a bit more attentive. One doctor that screwed up actually asks my mom how I’m doing. Heh. Just fine.

Annywaaay… After our own experimentation, CBD tincture has helped my mom with her migraines. Stops them in their tracks (who knew?) it’s saving her butt and at least that’s not a problem anymore.

I did at first have a medical MJ license (certificate ?) as a care giver for my mom and built salves/lotions. That’s not worth it now as I can buy much better stuff over the counter now. I’ll gladly pay the tax, instead of building it myself.

Anyway, Snowboarder, the stigma certainly exists. And that was the hardest hurdle for my mom to get over. It’s just plain stupid. But I understand that her generation thinks it’s some sort of pathway to hell. When in fact MJ is one of the oldest medicines in use.

There are two things against MJ. Assholes like Sessions that want to populate jails, and big pharmaceutical companies. Legalize it, and ‘big pharma’ is way, way behind the 8 ball because it will take years to get anything through the FDA.

Please; call me Bo. :slight_smile:

Oh yeah, it’s real, but I’m done with it. Not gonna play that game any more. I’ll lead the way with my example, if necessary.

You would think. But remember how this all got started. The BP’s have have been lobbying in states that don’t even have medical initiatives in the pipeline to corner the CBD market before it even gets started. It works both ways. The FDA has already green-lighted a number of pharma-proprietary cannabis extracts. This approach is covertly and soley intended to shut out grass roots competition, if and when it ever takes off.

What do the Italians have to do with any of this?

Just a little subtle I think. But well done.

First, I am absolutely in favor of legalization.

However, let’s stop pretending that pot is harmless. Every drughas side effects.
While most of the side effects are relatively mild, there can be some that are more serious and there are people who shouldn’t partake or approach their initial use with more caution than most.

[Bill Hicks]

Not all drugs are good, all right? Some of them … are great. Just gotta know your way around them, is all.

[/Bill Hicks]

When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, you’re stoned.

I’d be positively stunned if major pharma companies did not all have pure, undiluted fuck_you_up_two_times strains already developped, crossbred and so forth in their collective basements in the eventuality that the legalization movement gains enough momentum that recreational smoking becomes normalized - which it does, worldwide.

If anything, I’d wager the most important opposition to legalization, in the US and Europe alike, are a) drug-smuggling cartels (and their underhanded but VERY RICH influence) and b) various intelligence agencies that use drug sales to fill their war chests… and to fuck with non-white people, obviously.

Not pretending at all. Cite one person who has ever OD’d or died from Cannabis. Just one - anywhere in the world or at any time in recorded history. So if you want go ahead and define yout meaning for the term “harmless” in this context, please go right ahead. Because when compared apples-to-apples, it is literally fucking harmless.

So you think death is the only thing that’s considered a harmful side effect?

Maureen DowdOD’d since she didn’t know how to go about her first try.

Maybe she had no lasting damage but that’s a dangerous situation to be in under any circumstances.
Are you saying that doesn’t count as an overdose?

Sure it was an overdose, but it wasn’t harmful. Bet she doesn’t do THAT again. :rolleyes:

“overdose” in this context means you DIE. Too many ibuprofen over a few years means you DIE. Lots of other examples. Pot is harmless.

The fact is, there are plenty of people who have had a similar experience. Overdosing does not have to involve death.
Ever heard of “rookie cookies”? Colorado established 10mg as a standard dose and requires packaging to use that when determining the number of doses on the label.

I’ve seen in California, levels as high as 250 mg listed as a single dose.

So @runningcoach - you got stock in GW Pharma or maybe one of the beloved Kentucky distillers?

Of course not - that’s not what we are talking about. We are talking about the relative harmful effects. Relative to other commonly available drugs, pot is harmless.

No. I even said I’m in favor of legalization.
But acknowledge it’s a mind-altering drug, that’s what it’s been used for right from the start and acknowledge that it has side effects that can be serious.

An overdose for her. With edibles I go out of my way to reach where she was, only I enjoy the intensity. So, yes, subjectively she od’d, just like the people who get weirded out and paranoid after taking a single hit of weed that turns out to be a non-psychoactive fake weed.

Actually “from the start” and “to this day” it has been used (for centuries) as a therapuetic agent for a variety of maladies in many different cultures around the world. The ones lucky enough to not be influenced by our profit-driven society never stopped.

“Serious” you say? Please explain. Did the woman in your example miss her flight?

It’s more accurate to say that pot is not harmless, but is significantly less harmful than a vast number of other drugs that are sold illegally on the streets, prescribed every day by doctors, or freely available on store shelves to anyone who wants to buy them.

Statements about Cannabis’ harm value are meaningless until you define the term “harmful” in this context. Pot is physically harmless. Ingestion of vast amounts does no physical harm. It CANNOT kill you, in literally any use case. It cannot do physical harm to the human body.

Now define your terms, and either agree or disagree.