The Senate is unfair. Thoughts on Changing Article 1.

There are three areas where I believe the Constitution allows for a more equitable government going forward in the 21st Century.

First, Article Three does not proscribe a size for the Supreme Court (nor for lower courts). We can expand the Court.

Second, Article One does not specify the size of the House of Representatives. Let’s increase the HoR for the first time since 1920.

The third point also involves Article One and would mean amending the Constitution. Article One, Section Three gives each state two Senators which is unfair. It should be changed.

In every other area of government, the Supreme Court has found that the doctrine of “one man, one vote” prevails. But because two Senators per state is written into the Constitution, the Supreme Court will not find that equal or even equitable representation is required.

And, because of the complex construction of the United States, I think that equal representation in the Senate is impossible as the Constitution is currently written. We must more equitably distribute delegates to the U.S. Senate. I would do that by increasing the Senate by 50 (fifty) members.

Additional Senatorial seats would be allocated to states based upon population. The three largest states would be apportioned five Senators. The next nine largest would be apportioned four Senators each, and twenty-three states would be apportioned three Senators. Every other state would have two Senators representing them in Congress.

Of course, not all Senators would be added at the same time. Currently, Senate seats are divided into Classes One, Two and Three. After a federal census, say in 2030 there would be a reapportionment for the House of Representatives. At the same time there would be an apportionment for new seats in the Senate. States would not be able to add a new Senator until they had an open Class. For state adding multiple Senate seats, they would be allowed to add only one new Senator every two years.

In other words, if California, by far our largest state, had incumbent elections for Senator in 2032 and 2034, it would not be eligible to elect a third Senator until 2036. Then in 2038 it would vote for a second new Senator. The same year it would have an election for an incumbent Senator’s seat. The same would happen in 2040. In 2042, the first added Senator would now be an incumbent and be running alone.

Language in the amendment would require that all Senatorial seats be at-large. Texas would get three new seats and the crazies in that State Legislature would try to divide into representative districts. Districts can be gerrymandered. New York, Fla and Cali would do the same thing, I’m sure.

The way this will pass is that 35 states are offered additional representation. The argument to state legislatures must be, “More representation, more grease!” That’s something the goobers back home can’t pass up. Plus: more federal jobs, more military money, more infrastructure money.

There are some problems with this. Kentucky isn’t going to want to give up Moscow Mitch. Small states will hate it and resist, but if all the medium-sized states that get an extra Senator act according to their interests, they’ll go for it. I think a couple of small states would vote for it, too, namely Vermont, Rhode Island and, perhaps, Hawaii.

There are also problems with reapportionment in the opposite direction. I’ve thought about it a little bit and at this point it doesn’t seem the biggest concern.

I believe in more Democracy, not less. I want to walk down the street and knock on my Rep’s door. So telling me this is never going to happen is something I know.

What do you think about the unfair nature of the US Senate? How can it be fixed?

It can’t be fixed that way. The Constitution functionally prohibits this kind of amendment without unanimous consent. 38 states is not enough, you’d need all 50, and as you say, “small states will hate it and resist.”

The only solution I see, and it won’t be happening so I don’t expend much mental energy on it, is a constitutional amendment on par with the Parliament Act of 1911 in the UK, to simply remove the upper house from some of its current functions, and shift from true bicameralism to, whatever you’d call it, one-and-a-half-cameralism.

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User name checks out.

And bear in mind that any UK legislation on the powers of the respective houses of parliament rests on the assumption that the executive is embedded in and accountable to parliament, primarily through the one elected house. That means the upper house does not have the authority and legitimacy of elections, only that of the wisdom of second thoughts and often a broader range of expertise to help revise hasty or ill-drafted legislation. That’s a very different set-up from yours.

You want to expand the size of the Supreme Court? Hell no, not while Trump is in office, thank you very much.

The first and third proposed changes are bad. The second should be doable and desirable.

If people want a different senator ratio then the populous states ought to split into a few states.

I’m good with the idea that every 40 years or so the largest state should be bisected and that the smallest one should merge with one (or more) of its neighbors, keeping the number at fifty. (Of course you couldn’t do much about Alaska or Hawaii. And maybe for sentiment , leave the original 13 alone.)

But the bar on changing the composition of the Senate could be gotten around simply by doing TWO amendments, the first removing said proscription, and the second actually doing it. (I say “simply” even though I know it wouldn’t be.)

Two points–

#1. LIFE is unfair. Get over it. Nobody ever promised you that outcomes would be equal.

#2. If you stop and think about it, you’ll find that having a fixed number of Senators per state is, in fact, equal representation. Every man in every state gets to vote on precisely the same number of Senators. Location, education, wealth, health, etc.–none of that makes any difference whatsoever. That is precise and exact equality in every respect.

If you make the number of Senators vary according to state population, then people in large states will get to vote for more Senators than people in small states. That’s the exact opposite of “one man, one vote.”

Is it worth pointing out the math failure there?

Math failure is the least of his problems. Flyer is not a fan of democracy. For this reason it is difficult to take his thoughts on the subject seriously.

Re: increasing the size of the House, anyone know what the physical limitations are for fitting everyone in the room? Although I imagine they can exempt themselves from fire codes.

Couldn’t they Skype?

The whole point of the Senate is that each state gets equal representation as every other state. That was considered very important when the Constitution was written (the smaller states didn’t want joining the Union to render them powerless and influence-less); and it’s still important to lots of people today.

We had a similar thread not too long ago. I think this is the one I’m remembering:
Should we abolish the Senate?

Maybe those creepy tablets on wheels!

“I didn’t actually vote for that; I got hacked!”

I’m sure we could work something out. But I’m still curious about the physical space.

If you make the Senate proportional to population, then it’s just a smaller, more powerful House. It would be somewhat redundant.

The whole point is that one house reflects the population, amd the other doesn’t.

Well, except that the longer (and staggered) terms would still tend to insulate the Senate from transient political phenomena.

Is RFK Stadium still standing? They could use the grandstand as meeting chambers. :slight_smile:

Capping the number of Representatives and the direct election of Senators were two of the biggest errors in Twentieth Century American politics.
Senators were to represent their state, not the population and so should be selected by the state legislature.

Their state is the population of their state.

This implies that there is some entity called “the state” that is NOT the people who reside in that state. Who is this “state” and why the fuck should we care what “it” thinks about anything?