Sure, but of all the times you have heard the word in your life, how many referred to that? Of those, how many were not in the dialog of a Western movie?
Local and associated tribes hold a Powwow not that far from where I live, and I have a couple friends that go, and non-natives are invited . (Maybe not to everything)
I don’t remember it ever being used in a work environment.
I wonder about “Dutch” , for the cheap alternative. Dutch oven, going dutch, dutch apple pie. All are about a sort of skimpy version.
But of course obviously nobody was suggesting that Native Americans cannot continue to use their own language. It’s casual disrespectful appropriation that’s the issue.
I thought Dutch apple pie just referred to the topping, with the “Dutch” part referencing actual cultural origins (albeit possibly apocryphal)? In what sense is it skimpy?
Yes, but slavery is bad all by itself, regardless of whether or not it’s based on race. So policing (there I go!) your language to eliminate metaphors based on unpleasant concepts isn’t necessarily restricted to specifically racist concepts.
When did Dutch Ovens become “cheap”? I’ve never once thought that. I think of them as something you only buy once you’re “settled™”, like a grown-up.
In circles where I travel, quite often the onus isn’t even put on people. It’s the environment that has “Issues with access.”
Ehh, in many cases it’s accurate in IT. I suppose you could use manager/worker instead. It just seems like an odd thing to worry about.
I think it is a “oven” for people that don’t have an oven. A make-shift oven.
And I’ve literally never heard this notion before.
The internet seems to have a lot of different opinions about what it is and where it came from. I always interpreted the missing a top crust as sort of cheap, like a way to make a pie wirh hlaf as much butter (likely the moat expensive ingredient). But no one seems to have a definitive answer.
Apparently at some point in recent enough history, people in England referred to anything cheap, undesirable, poorly executed, etc. as “Dutch,” sort of the way English-speaking Americans used a pejorative word for people from Poland.
Have no idea of the origin of the enmity, nor whether it was returned.
Yeah. I can’t wait to see the shift in HR from employees to persons who are employed.
“Humans that are resources.”
The internet seems to think that the term “Dutch Oven” was applied because it was cheaper to produce and part of the process was inspired by Dutch techniques. But given that there was a stereotype of Dutch = cheap, I wonder if that us beibg disingenuous.
According to wiki, the term ‘Dutch oven’ derives from an improved manufacturing process used by Dutch craftsmen. The opposite of ‘cheap’. I suspect that people conflated it with other ‘Dutch’ terms, like ‘going Dutch’. So, not pejorative in origin, but made pejorative by Gresham’s Law applied to language (bad meanings drive out the good).
Is deprecating master/slave in part because it is potentially triggering, rather than because it is intrinsically racist?
Another consideration is whether racists will use terminology that is intrinsically innocuous as dog whistles. Consider the infamous case of the word niggardly, for example. It doesn’t matter how much people protest that it’s etymologically unrelated, and that it’s “ignorant” to deprecate it. You just know that racists will abuse that excuse in order to use it as a dog whistle while pleading innocence, and if you yourself choose to continue using it, consider that people will look at you askance and wonder.
When did Dutch Ovens start referring to actual ovens? I thought it was when you hold someone’s head under the bedsheets and fart.
Particularly in light of this passage:
Colonists and settlers valued cast-iron cookware because of its versatility and durability. Cooks used them to boil, bake, stew, fry, and roast. The ovens were so valuable that wills in the 18th and 19th centuries frequently spelled out the desired inheritor.