Hopefully, next year I can start a “Thirteen Bay March to the Super Bowl” thread.
In fairness (and I say this as a Packer fan), six Super Bowl wins is a bit better than three Super Bowl wins and a bunch of pre-super bowl championships, a fair number of which came from the dim, dark ages of the game. 
Really? 12 Championships is 12 Championships. And there is no doubt the Packers were the best team in football during their 60s Championships. ALthough in fairness I wouldneed to call the thread “Thirteen Bay March to the NFL Championship”. There is a reason it is called Titletown.
Comparing a win in the 1920s to a win in the 2000s is ridiculous, and you know it. It’s nice to have, and I certainly won’t trade it for the number of NFL Championships owned by the Detroit Lions ( 
), but it’s just not the same thing.
I do agree that the 1965 Packers would have likely won the Super Bowl over the Buffalo Bills. Also, the '61 and '62 Packers would most likely have beaten the Oilers and the Texans, respectively; that was in the years before the AFL had it’s big money TV contract and could really compete for top players. So I tend to put the five years of the sixties at one level, the six years of the 20s to 40s at another, lower level, and the Super Bowl year of 1996 at the top.
Funny, I didn’t see any caveats or “levels” on the Sixburgh stuff. Maybe a “barely” for last years last second play, or a ref aided for the victory over the Seahawks would fit best. 
The fact that it has absolutely nothing else going for it?
What is this Superbowl you refer to. I think it is a late season game but in Detroit we are onto hockey at that time. Now that the Pistons are down, the Wings decided to hurt all their players. We are left with the NFL draft to get our interest. We always get a good draft choice. We are good at getting it, using it, not so good.
I would tell you about it, about the glory of winning it, about the agony of losing four times in it (Can you say Vikings?), about the total agony of losing it four times in a ROW (Can you say Bills? ), about the agony of losing it in the last seconds (THIS agony I can personally relate to you as a fan of the Bengals). I could do all that, but then, you’d start feeling bad for missing out on it, and I don’t want to do that to you.
Why would you put caveats on the fact that a team won a playoff contest, however minimally, that made it the best of 32 teams? But being the best of 32 modern teams, with the modern playoff structure, is different from being the best of 12 teams in a season without any playoffs at all.
You’re still drawing lines on which championships count for you. Do the Yankees get to count their championships before integration? Do we only count Super Bowls as championships? How about all the championships when there were only 24 teams? Or before the Texans’ arrived to make it 32 teams? Or when it was a 14 game season? Or before there were wild cards?
My point isn’t that your necessarily wrong (a modern team would thoroughly crush the 1929 Packer Championship team), but rather the idea that only championships with the moniker “Super Bowl” somehow count. There will always be some kind of linedrawing. But the fact remains the Steelers will need another six championships (I can’t wait to see what silly name they come up with) to have as many NFL Championships as the Packers.
I smell a spinoff dick-measuring thread… [thread=546584]oh, look[/thread]!
Just trying to be polite and not take over this thread.
It is an interesting discussion and does deserve it’s own thread.
Within the context of this thread I have to say that I really don’t care who wins this year’s SB or anything about Super Bowl history. I’m itching to see what moves are forthcoming to make a run at the 2011 Super Bowl.
Bruce Arians is staying with the team. Ben Roethlisberger went to bat for him and they agreed to keep him on with the apparent agreement that the offensive philosophy needs to change though. Specifically they are to work on getting the ball out of Ben’s hand quicker. That means working on his ability to read defense, especially certain zones which have long given him trouble. The third-down conversion rate went down dramatically late in the season when teams started realizing they could invert the safeties and drop guys into zone behind the blitzes and delay his reads long enough to bring him down.
I shit on Willie Colon all last year but kept my mouth shut this year because he played much better. I hope my outlook on Bruce Arians undergoes a similar reversal.
You shouldn’t shit on Willie Colon, he has enough shit to deal with.
I don’t understand the desire to “get the ball out of Ben’s hand quicker” when the fact that many of the Steelers big plays are generated by Ben moving around, eluding sacks and having his wideouts be in tune with him by getting open in the final moments of such a play.
Perhaps Arians should be more concerned about re-establishing the Steelers rushing attack (which sucked) as the primary focus of their offense, which as everyone knows, affords the passing game extra opportunities.
And you have to get that defense back on track. I refuse to believe that Polamalu’s absence is the only reason the Steelers defense was subpar this season.
They need to cut down on the sacks for one thing. I’m sure they don’'t want to take Ben’s big play ability away but the offense bogged down on too many drives last season. They had a great season in terms of offensive numbers but many felt it still didn’t match the talent on the field.
That will require an upgrade to the line more than anything else. Also, there are some very good reasons to suspect the line coach who just left, Zierlein, wasn’t the best fit for the team.
I agree. I think Polamalu’s absence just sharpened the focus on some already weak areas. I also think the loss of Aaron Smith was pretty huge. They need help in the secondary but it’s not their style to pay the salary a first-round corner commands. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one drafted on the first day though. Both lines need more help and I really think this year they will look hard at upgrading both of them again.
Personally, I think the Steelers are just fine and don’t need to change a thing!
Well, apart from anything else, he’s getting the tar kicked out of him. You couldn’t watch a Steelers drive this season without wondering if Ben was going to be able to finish the game.
Since their offensive line is obviously not going to improve to the point of five-Mississippi pass protection in one offseason, they need to do something else to keep him from taking so many hits.
Except for QBs, rookie contracts don’t vary much from position to position.
I hadn’t heard much about it during the season but afterward there have been some comments from reporters and linemen indicating the scheme was overly complex and the blitz pick-ups were suffering because of it.
There was also a moment on one of the post-SB videos where the line coach is detailing the players’ responsibilities on an upcoming play and Tomlin walks by and shouts something to the effect of, “just block the other guys!”