The Ski Thread - who's up for it?

There was no patrol out today, and the area closed early due to the cold, so being an ever curious sort, I did a sweep. Sure enough, I came across a person at the top of that steep icy pitch that annoyed me last week, with her skis off, trying to George of the Jungle it in the trees beside the run. It all worked out OK, for there was a nice snow covered run nearby that she had been unable to find, so after a few minutes of getting her back to the top, she had an enjoyable ski out. Based on what she said, I wouldn’t want to be her brother who led her to the steep drop and then abandoned her. I think his hours are numbered.

That lift had a new liftie working it today who ouch didn’t ouch understand ouch the ouch need ouch to ouch briefly ouch retard ouch the ouch chair ouch at ouch loading ouch to ouch reduce ouch the ouch impact ouch of ouch the ouch chair ouch on ouch the ouch rider’s ouch calves ouch. The simple solution was for me to hop up and slightly forward when loading to avoid the calf whack, for he didn’t get the concept. Just when I figured that the loading problem was solved, he wandered off, and for a couple of runs he stayed in the warm lift hut, leaving me to load without his being in reach of the big red button (unfortunately, the lifts here only have exterior emergency shut-offs). Later, in the parking area, I gave him a boost (he said he could not afford a new battery). He was a nice guy, but too dumb to be left outside on his own. I hope that he learns how to load a lift and that the job works out for him, for he sounded a bit hard on his luck.

I have the Wasatch Snow Forecast feed on facebook. Its making me sad as looks phenomenal. The Utah Avalanche Center feed doesn’t look so good for back country. Although i saw a study that indicated there are very few fatalities when the avalanche risk is extreme, high or low. Most fatalities are when the danger is forecasted as moderate to mod/high. Alas this weekend is going to be bluebird weather with a lot of snow on some bad interfaces. Expect poor decision making.
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Last week I spent an enjoyable morning being cosseted by heated 8-seater bubble chairs with feather-soft loading and automatic everything.
Then we stopped for lunch and ski’d down another run where went through an older 4-man chair. I was in a world of my own and as I stood there waiting for the same gentle pick-up I was smacked on the back of the helmet by the metal bar of the chair.

very, very hard.

Thankfully I had my helmet on, had I not I reckon it would have been hospital time.

So lesson one, danger is everywhere when skiing
lesson two, always wear a helmet
lesson three, don’t be a dozy sod and always pay attention.

Sweet! I wish Lutsen would upgrade their six-pack to that, or at least retrofit with bubbles, for it gets nasty cold with the wind sometimes. But to be fair, for this season they replaced their old 1989 gondola with something a lot safer and more comfortable.

The chairlift at one of the hills near my town was built in 1953 and is still going strong (it might be the oldest in Canada that is still operating), but although it is safe enough, I’m always nervous on it. A 1970 carrier (chair and cage/vertical pole assembly) from another of the hills near town found its way into my living room. It makes for a nice seat when putting on ski boots. :slight_smile: But as much as I love old ski equipment, from old lift chairs to solid wood skis to Kandahar bindings to Steincomp boots, I sure appreciate it when resorts invest in safer lifts that travel more quickly, move more people per hour, and do so in comfort. A high speed bubble with heated seats? That’s a grade above my vehicle! Where’s the envy emoticon? :smiley:

Did a training session last night at the ski area I first learned to ski at, 250’ of icy hard vertical under the lights. Can’t be beat.

I liked that gondola :frowning:

I’ll be heading Up Nort with my brothers and the general manager from my old job. He’s happy to have someone to carry him down the mountain when he gets hurt. His first time skiing was at Afton by the Twin Cities, where he yelled “PLAY IT SAFE” coming in to a slow area and bailed hard. He dislocated his shoulder and came to work in a sling for weeks. I don’t know that it quite matches the back injury and months-long hematoma I got catching a rock in my lower back after a misjudged jump, but it was definitely more visible.

You missed the [del]boat[/del] gondola. They were selling off the old gondolas at the end of last season.

Tell your old general manager that if he gets injured badly enough, he’ll get a helicopter ride all the way back to the Twin Cities.

When I was a couple of towers away from the end of the lift, the liftee ran out of his hut and away from me. There was a side-wind, so I figured it wasn’t me he was running from. When I got off and skied over to him, he asked me to stop a skier that was about to head down a 32 degree bump run (that’s comparable to Sun Valley’s Exhibition, only without the lovely soft snow – all we usually have here is scrapescrapescrape).

So off I went, expecting to have to talk the skier off of the ledge, but certainly not expecting to find what I found: an indigenous Amazonian from equatorial Brazil who had never experienced snow before in his life, and who was on his first ski run.

To get him safely back to the lodge, I took him down a scenic one-and-a-half mile long beginner run. He was pretty sketchy at first, but he was a tolerable learner (and a school teacher by trade), and had a need for speed, reflected in yelps of joy and shouts of fear as he tried to control his turns and keep it between the trees. At the end of the run he had a wonderfully big smile on his face!

Something I truly love is watching the penny drop, when a person transitions from not getting it to getting it, from struggling to soaring. I saw that today on a beginner run by person who now has been bitten by the skiing bug, and even if he never experiences snow again, he’ll have a memory that he will never forger. :slight_smile:

So far this season, I have the following trips planned:

Beaver Creek, CO - 3 days over MLK weekend
Breckenridge, CO - 4 days over Super Bowl weekend
Deer Valley, UT - 3 days at a corporate event in Feb.
Keystone, CO - 3 days over President’s weekend
Northstar @ Tahoe - 4 days over Spring Break

3 of the trips are with family, 2 of the trips are work related.

We have two daughters and both started taking lessons when they were 3. Our 9 year old is almost to the level, her mom and I are. She can ski anywhere on the mountain. The 6 year old is a bit slower, but can follow most places.

We own all our own gear, and have season passes through Vail, which covers all of the above locations with the exception of Deer Valley. So after the 5th day, it’s free skiing. After that, our only expense is food and lodging.

Does anyone else use a GPS tracker? I use Trace Snow on my phone, and it keeps a pretty reliable record of my runs, with associated data like maximum speed, average speed, sustained speed, vertical, etc. I like it, as it gives me a good way to track between days, locations, different runs, and the like.

Also, realizing I bombed a Minnesota double-black and topped out at 68 mph is pretty cool, too.

That wouldn’t happen to be Lutsen’s Plunge, would it?

I’ve never felt the need to track inbounds runs, but I’ve used them in the backcountry a bit.

No one on recreational gear skis at 68 mph. :slight_smile:

That’s the one.

I never said I was smart.

Yeh, 42 degees, ice and hard-pack, off camber to the left, no runout, and a must-make egress trail tangential to the run on the right. What’s not to like? I’m jonesing for it just thinking about it. :slight_smile:

Lutsen’s plan is to install one of their old chairs to the south / skier’s left of The Plunge. Although that would solve the problem of the must-make turn up the Valley Run egress trail, I am very concerned that it would cause even further problems, for by removing the very long egress trail, and by changing the direction of that trail from uphill to downhill where it intersects the 39 (Adrenaline), 40 (Freefall) and 42 (The Plunge) degree runs, I expect that there will be a significant increase in use by wofuks who will increase the number of injuries to themselves by slam dancing with trees due to the lack of runouts, and (more to my personal concern) also create a very big new risk of wofuks shooting out of what will then be a downhill egress trail directly into the path of skiers who will be running at high speed on the steep runs. Quite simply, by forcing skiers to earn their turns due to the present uphill and flat sections of the egress trail, and by having a very long egress, the wofuks tend to avoid the steep runs. If egress is McDonaldified, we’ll lose the wofuk bug repelant, which will cause ongoing delays waiting for them to clear the slopes, and close the sloops for extended periods (sometimes the entire day) when they are injured, even if they don’t take-out another skier in the process.

The first time I skied Adrenaline, I found a fellow wrapped around a tree who has suffered a broken femur. He wasn’t an irresponsible skier: he was an competent intermediate skier whom I has seen cruising easier runs earlier that day.

Chisquirrel, you may have heard about a skier from the Cities down your way who tried The Plunge for the first time last year. One of the patrol later told me that the fellow was unresponsive and that at first they thought he was dead. Surprisingly, he lived thanks to the patrol, EMTs, an air ambulance to the Cities, and the medical professionals there, although he was busted up pretty badly with organ, bone and muscle injuries. Friends of his friends told me that he had been skiing with he more skilled friends – all responsible people, but lost an edge.

These two intermediate skiers were responsible skiers, not wofuks, so I dread the carnage that will ensure once egress from the three steep runs becomes much easier and thereby makes those runs much more enticing for wofuks.

The best analogy that I can think of is that what Lutsen is proposing would be the equivalent of having the front doors of a high-school open directly onto an interstate, and trusting that the teenagers would always stop, look and listen before they walk across the highway rather than just run out into it and play in traffic.

I think the best solution would be to connect with the proposed lift only after creating runouts for the steep runs, closing the present egress trail, and cutting a new gated egress trail with its gates near the end of each runout. There is just enough room to do this without violating the resort’s boundaries. In any event, gates are absolutely necessary at the intersections or their will be serious injuries and deaths due to wofuks being where they have no business being.

For me personally, I would prefer that the present layout remain unchanged, for it is ideal for the type of skiing that I prefer. I ski on alpine race skis (Nordica Dobermann GSR World Cup with the old 21m radius), dampening race plates and a 3/4” riser, so they are ideal for making the turn onto the egress trail at speed and coasting along the uphill section past the other two steep runs and along the rest of the long egress trail, and since I use telemark rather than alpine bindings, on slow snow days I have an easy time cross-country skate skiing up the egress trail and along a couple of other flat parts of the egress trail. The very long runout around to the other side of the mountain is very pretty and often has deer and other small critters using it, so scooting along it offers a type of skiing that is very relaxing and in touch with the environment through which I am skiing.

For me skiing is about the exhilaration of literally living on the edge while pushing my mind and body to their limits; the fluid, lyrical, graceful dance in which I express how I feel by how I ski; the tranquility that comes from emotionally melding with the surrounding environment as I flow along quiet trails through it. Lutsen’s Plunge and the its long, occasionally uphill, Valley Run egress, is one of the very few lift area runs that fulfills these three very different dimensions of skiing for me, so I would very much prefer that it be left as it is.

I never commented on your intelligence. :wink: I’m saying that it’s very close to physically impossible to do so on non-race gear and it’s far more likely that your GPS device read incorrectly, which they do all the time.

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I’d be perfectly happy if they never changed it too. I tend to hit a run like that only once or twice - I know where my limits are, and familiarity with a run definitely breeds contempt, for lack of a better phrase. I tend to not focus so much the 7th time down a run, and that can lead to ouch, especially on a run like anything off the back of Moose. I like to do it to say I can, and then go back to the blues and blacks, where I feel comfortable. I did get a surprise run down Koo Koo my first time up when I turned the wrong direction off the lift on Eagle and refused to turn back.

That’s entirely possible. I commented on my intelligence, since I have absolutely gotten in over my head, which is why I wear a helmet any time I’m on skis. More than once I’ve looked up the run with a quiet, “There but for the grace of God”

Another Nordica X Balance plate failed today. The mounting bolts held, but the plate ripped out of them. I very much like its ability to dampen vibration in the rear of the ski, but although it works nicely for alpine, it is too flimsy for aggressive telemark. That’s the eternal trade-off with ski gear – responsiveness v. durability. Oh well, more salvage for the parts bucket means more resources come kluge time.

Ouch, did you stay upright? That could have ended up badly depending on when it failed. A guy in NH ended up nearly losing a leg when a Salomon tech fitting failed due to poor design (Salomon has since fixed their boots) at a particular bad place on Mt Washington.

No worries. I had tested my binding release the night before, and it was my second warm-up run getting seated my boots, so I was in the centre of the hill and was not doing anything stupid. The failure took place while initiating a turn, so I shoulder rolled. Thanks to thick wool pants, I didn’t need to use a pole self-arrest, and only slid for about 150’ down the fall line, wondering “What the hell just happened?”

Other than a bruised shoulder, I had no problems skiing and walking immediately after the plate failure, and spent the evening on my feet while helping a friend learn how to wax cross-country classic skis. Overnight there was some swelling and pain (MCL? meniscus? too soon to say), so it was RICE in bed for the morning and has been a light Jones bandage for the afternoon in Geppetto’s workshop, rather than skiing. Although I can only slightly bend my knee now (even without Dr. Jones), my guess is that when the medial area of my knee drains, things should be OK and will only need RICE, time, and proportionally more classic and less skate/tele to heal-up.

Since I’m now 0 for 2 with my three sets of Nordica X Balance plates, as much as I very much like their performance, last night I removed my bindings from my skis that have an integrally attached version of those plates. If I am unable to cut and grind that third set of plates off, I won’t be skiing on those skis again and instead relegate them to the Dummy Downhill. It’s just not worth the risk.

In the pre-season, I’d been toying with the idea of replacing those Nordica X Balance plates with the much more robust (but not as laterally balanced) Vist World Cup Pro plates. Vist is a supplier of the Royal Tonga Ski Federation, so their stuff has to be good, right? :wink:

I should have made my decision earlier upon the first set’s failure, so I only have myself to blame for getting spanked yesterday.

It has been snowing so much round here, that for the first time to my knowledge, Heavenly shut down in the middle of the day! (There have been days when they didn’t open at all)

They close individual lifts for wind and other stuff all the time, but they shut the **whole mountain **down at around noon today.

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