I originally posted this in the Pit to another Bush-bashing fucking numbskull, but it certainly is appropriate here for fellow morons rjung and barbitu8:
It will be awful hard for you to fight ignorance until you stop breathing out of your lower intestine.
Milo, can’t you take it to the Pit?
Part of me feels that way too. The trouble is, we are dealing with people who do not fear blood or death. If we kill those responsible, they will become martyrs, and more will appear in their place.
How do you fight these people?
OK I posted this some 16 hours ago and a lot has happened since. MOre than I really want to reiterate. But, the entire WORLD knows what is goin on now.
I’ll not speak of the economy at this time. I’ll not speak of the possible motives, but I will speak of the millions of Americans who 18 hours ago may have had qualms about the American political and economic global stance. Now things have changed. Changed. Changed…
I have watched two separate parties repubs and demo’s unit as one Unified Congress to back the President. This I have never seen in my entire tenure on this planet. This in itself is a more then monumentous. This is epic.
Any one around when JFK was assasinated can tell you where they were, who was around them, and what time it was when they heard the news. This was in 1963.
30 years from now. Anyone in the USA will be able to tell you where they were, who was around them etc…etc… This is epic. And the reprocussions will be felt…
“Ask not what your country can do for you…ask what you can do for your country…”
will write more as more unfolds.
P.S. harmonize what you see in your fellow people. We are all helping each other, continue, please.
Ah, I wouldn’t have expected anything less. 
And to put it in perspective for you, Milo. Given that we are now in an extremely tense and delicate situation, will you agree with me that the United States must (re)act very carefully? Will you agree with me that if the United States screws up, this crisis could escalate even further? Will you agree with me that, given the (probable) international nature, diplomacy and tact must always be nearby, and that the USA should not charge into anything with guns a-blazin’?
Given all that, doesn’t it make sense that the best leader the United States can have in this situation is one who is experienced in these sorts of delicate, international dealings? Someone who doesn’t trample on diplomatic toes with a terse “my way or the highway” attitude? Someone, in short, who doesn’t act like George W. Bush has been acting for the last eight months?
Now, realistically, I’m sure everyone at the White House knows that we’re sitting on a big powderkeg here, and will advise Bush to proceed with all due delicacy and caution. Even so, I’d still sleep a litle better at night if our President was someone who knows that Africa isn’t a country…
You kill 'em anyway.
You kill 'em anyway. Slowly and painfully.
No, Acco is right. Retaliation isn’t meant to bring back the dead. It’s a hard answer meant to ensure that nobody ever tries something like that again. During the height of communist power, how often did we hear about hijacked Soviet planes? I think I heard of one single time. Why is that? Because the Soviets turned the other cheek and the terrorists saw that they were people too (here, I’m reminded of Judd Nelson’s characterization of Anthony Michael Hall’s home life in “The Breakfast Club”)? Nope. It’s because they wouldn’t have tolerated it and would have responded violently.
When the big kid cries and gives up in a fight, it teaches all the little kids that there are no consequences to pushing him around and problems increase, not decrease.
What we need to do is make sure somebody pays in blood, and hurt them badly enough that they never, ever want to fuck with us again. The cost has to be higher than any potential benefit, otherwise it will continue and the violence will only increase.
Let’s just hope his temper dosn’t get completely out of control.
Surely you understand it is not so much the person but the death of the president of the most powerful nation in the world and the target of these terrorist attacks.
Yeah, I’m always remembered how they worked on a kidnap siuation somewhere in the middleast, Israel I think. A diplomat was taken (again I think, the details are sketchy in my memory but someone will come along to correct me) and the talks were failing, things getting intense so the Soviets snagged a few of the kidnapper’s associates and sent them chopped in small pieces to the kidnappers. The hostages were released the next day. I remember a western officer commenting “we could have never done that, it is just not how we work!”.
This is not about vengeance, it is about retaliation or sending a message, a heinous attack like this will not go unpunished and there will be hell to pay from whoever is responsible for this. They will suffer the consequences. This has to be in the head of any terrorist planning an attack on a nation such as the US.
I have to agree with the last post. This is now about retaliation, and swift punnishment. Blood will be had.
In the wake of all of this, I think a lot of Americans were initially in shock, I know I was…But now the sentiment is RAGE.
I think a lot of people are worried about GW Bush. They are worried that we need someone with more experience. Well, Colin Powell and other members of the advisory committee are fuming, and I believe GW will be quite the little marrionette in the days to come. Notice how calm he was during the interviews? Vengence will be had.
In other words, the Ender Wiggin school of retaliation?
Yep, that’s the one. And I’ll add to it the Peter Wiggin school of defense:
Now is the time to kill and destroy. Because the enemy is able and willing. If we are not, we will always be at his mercy.
Why am I suddenly reminded of that God-awful KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park TV movie, where the fake KISS androids sing, “Rip rip, rip and destroy!”?