NM.
Well, the fine folks at Pew Research slice and dice their polls all sorts of ways. I love them to death. (FTR I’m a Jewish agnostic.)
Yeah, I saw that. Did you NM it because you realized it was baseless, or did you NM it because you think it’s not worth the effort?
Neither.
It’s merely against the rules to accuse people of being trolls on the GD.
Also, feeding trolls is generally counter-productive.
But you didn’t accuse me of being a troll in the post you NM-ified.
Post #22–did you read it?
Here’s the post you deleted, which most certainly does NOT break any forum rules:
Here is my response to that post. If I saw the above post in GQ, I’d answer the question if I knew the answer, and I’d ask why the results would be helpful. This is the correct and sensible response in GQ, (the second part is optional,) if you’re going to make any response at all.
Well, that would be extremely weird since I think most people seeing a post like that would think the person was a troll or parodying a troll.
Anyway, I’m not discussing further in this thread.
If you want to hear from me further than I’d recommend opening a thread on the pit so we don’t have to worry about constraints.
Perhaps I’ll respond then.
You know, it’s ridiculous, and probably due to my having slept just three hours for two nights in a row, but I’m really upset about this thread.
I’m a dyed-in-the-wool hardcore lib, someone who believes in the inherent value of intimate familiarity with cultures other than one’s own, close personal friends (along with my wife) with a muslim family, a religious inclusivist, someone who values accuracy and rationality in communication, who asks questions with the intention to learn. I don’t expect everyone here to know all about me–but I did delude myself into thinking people in general around here probably had a generally accurate notion that I was roughly the kind of person I just described.
It would appear not.
I don’t think my OP requires any special knowledge of my personality to understand. The over-reading is just completely strange no matter how I look at it. But it’s definitely not even remotely possible for people to have misunderstood my OP so broadly unless the OP might as well, from their standpoint, be my first post ever–the post of a stranger. And yeah, TMI, but I found that really upsetting.
[/world’s tiniest saddest violin.]
You fucking pit me motherfucker.
ETA: Moreover, supposing someone posted just as you said, but prefaced it with “I’m dealing IRL with someone who thinks that blacks in general typically do these three things,* and I think he’s basically immoral for thinking this, but I do want to have hard facts in hand before continuing the conversation.” In other words, suppose my #22 were wrapped up with my OP–which should be how you regarded things in the first place as you should have read all my posts before making such accusations. In that case would you still think “Troll”?
*Which, by the way dearest Ibn, is a key fucking distinction between my OP and your little joke–as there are not a lot of people who think blacks in general typically do these three things, while there are well known to be a lot of people who think muslims in general typically believe the things discussed in my OP. This means the explanation for the “blacks” post would best be found in the OP’s own beliefs, while the explanaiton for the “Muslims” post would not so definitely need to be thought to be found in the author’s own beliefs.
Note the key noun in the quote: “MUSLIMS”. If instead it was the blood of innocent non-believers, the severity of the action and willingness to accept the ends as justifying the means would be a bit different…

You fucking pit me motherfucker.
Do not call other posters “motherfucker” in Great Debates.
This is a Warning that you are out of line.
[ /Moderating ]

Well, that would be extremely weird since I think most people seeing a post like that would think the person was a troll or parodying a troll.
I realize that you have the escape clause in referring to parody and that you did not explicitly say that Frylock was trolling, posting it as a commentary on his text, but you need to be a lot more careful to avoid giving the appearence of calling someone a troll outside The BBQ Pit.
Knock it off.
[ /Moderating ]

You fucking pit me motherfucker.
You’re way out of line here. Take a breather.
To everybody else: the implications of the OP’s questions, intended or unintended, have been addressed. From here on out, you need to either post about the questions or answer them rather than discussing side issues like the OP’s motives. If not, I’ll be closing this shortly.

I realize that you have the escape clause in referring to parody and that you did not explicitly say that Frylock was trolling, posting it as a commentary on his text, but you need to be a lot more careful to avoid giving the appearence of calling someone a troll outside The BBQ Pit.
Knock it off.
[ /Moderating ]
He was asking me a question about a post I decided to delete.
I was trying to answer his question regarding a post I deleted as honestly as possible while respecting the board rules.

I was trying to answer his question regarding a post I deleted as honestly as possible while respecting the board rules.
And you did not get Warned for that response, but it is more than just a bit disingenuous to claim that you needed to make your point by including allusions to trolling.

And you did not get Warned for that response, but it is more than just a bit disingenuous to claim that you needed to make your point by including allusions to trolling.
Fair enough.
I’d made a post that I decided should be deleted.
He decided to reprint the post and started questioning me about it.
I was merely trying to answer as honestly as I could.
In retrospect I should have simply told him to open a thread in the pit if he wanted an answer.
Sorry for that and I appreciate your understanding.
My post
I was trying to answer his question regarding a post I deleted as honestly as possible while respecting the board rules.
Was not meant as a complaint regarding your decision but an explanation.

- Homosexuals ought to be executed.
I don’t have anything on execution, but the final column in the table below from the World Values Survey lists the percentage of respondents who specifically chose “homosexuals” from a lengthy list as people they would not wish to have as neighbors:
BASE=168057
Weight [with split ups] Neighbours: Homosexuals
Religious denomination / Total / Not mentioned / Mentioned
Aglipayan 36 (100%) 58.1 % 41.9 %
Al-Hadis 153 (100%) 100.0 % -
Alliance 3 (100%) 100.0 % -
Ancestral worshipping 304 (100%) 54.3 % 45.7 %
Anglican 17 (100%) 98.7 % 1.3 %
Armenian Apostolic Church 1654 (100%) 16.7 % 83.3 %
Assembly of God 4 (100%) 100.0 % -
Bahai 0 (100%) - 100.0 %
Baptist 42 (100%) 57.1 % 42.9 %
Born again 32 (100%) 59.2 % 40.8 %
Brgy. Sang Birhen 1 (100%) - 100.0 %
Buddhist 2012 (100%) 51.4 % 48.6 %
C & S Celestial 63 (100%) 11.3 % 88.7 %
Cao dai 8 (100%) 37.5 % 62.5 %
Catholic: doesn´t follow rules 332 (100%) 23.8 % 76.2 %
Charismatic 0 (100%) 100.0 % -
Christian 192 (100%) 94.9 % 5.1 %
Christian Fellowship 1 (100%) 100.0 % -
Christian Reform 2 (100%) 100.0 % -
Church of Christ 16 (100%) 60.4 % 39.6 %
El Shaddai 2 (100%) 100.0 % -
Essid 4 (100%) - 100.0 %
Evangelical 1672 (100%) 50.4 % 49.6 %
Faith in god 2 (100%) 100.0 % -
Filipinista 6 (100%) 82.8 % 17.2 %
Free church/Non denominational church 1759 (100%) 66.4 % 33.6 %
Greek Catholic 30 (100%) 45.9 % 54.1 %
Gregorian 44 (100%) 8.3 % 91.7 %
Hindu 5778 (100%) 36.1 % 63.9 %
Hoa hao 1 (100%) - 100.0 %
Hussite 8 (100%) 62.5 % 37.5 %
Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) 81 (100%) 68.1 % 31.9 %
Independent African Church (e.g. ZCC, Shembe, etc.) 652 (100%) 48.8 % 51.2 %
Independent Church 42 (100%) 78.6 % 21.4 %
Israelita Nuevo Pacto Universal (FREPAP) 24 (100%) 29.2 % 70.8 %
Jain 56 (100%) 34.1 % 65.9 %
Jehovah witnesses 169 (100%) 50.1 % 49.9 %
Jesus is Lord (JIL) 12 (100%) 63.6 % 36.4 %
Jesus Miracle Crusade 1 (100%) 100.0 % -
Jew 530 (100%) 64.0 % 36.0 %
Ka-a Elica 2 (100%) 100.0 % -
Lutheran 10 (100%) 100.0 % -
Mennonite 8 (100%) 39.1 % 60.9 %
Methodists 5 (100%) 79.8 % 20.2 %
Mita 4 (100%) 25.0 % 75.0 %
Mormon 16 (100%) 73.0 % 27.0 %
Muslim 26650 (100%) 38.5 % 61.5 %
Native 3 (100%) 100.0 % -
New Testament Christ/Biblist 5 (100%) 38.6 % 61.4 %
Orthodox 20143 (100%) 37.3 % 62.7 %
Other 3022 (100%) 59.3 % 40.7 %
Other: Brasil: Espirit,candomblé,umbanda,esoterism,occultism 165 (100%) 75.2 % 24.8 %
Other: Christian com 6 (100%) 83.3 % 16.7 %
Other: Oriental´ 2 (100%) 50.0 % 50.0 %
Other: Philippines (less 0.5%) 20 (100%) 50.0 % 50.0 %
Other: Taiwan (taoism, protestant fundam., ancient cults) 343 (100%) 25.1 % 74.9 %
Paganism 3 (100%) 100.0 % -
Pentecostal 572 (100%) 22.7 % 77.3 %
Presbyterian 11 (100%) 100.0 % -
Protestant 26606 (100%) 65.9 % 34.1 %
Roman Catholic 71888 (100%) 58.7 % 41.3 %
Salvation Army 0 (100%) - 100.0 %
Self Lealisation Fellowship 1 (100%) 100.0 % -
Seven Day Adventist 61 (100%) 51.3 % 48.7 %
Shenism (Chinese Religion) 65 (100%) 65.7 % 34.3 %
Shia 197 (100%) 100.0 % -
Sikh 68 (100%) 41.4 % 58.6 %
Sisewiss 1 (100%) 100.0 % -
Spiritista 3 (100%) 100.0 % -
Spiritualists 1 (100%) 100.0 % -
Sunni 1067 (100%) 100.0 % -
Tac 73 (100%) 57.9 % 42.1 %
Taoist 115 (100%) 56.5 % 43.5 %
The Church of Sweden 853 (100%) 88.7 % 11.3 %
The Worldwide Church of God 3 (100%) - 100.0 %
Theosofists 2 (100%) 100.0 % -
Unitarian 2 (100%) 100.0 % -
United 11 (100%) 77.8 % 22.2 %
United Church of Christ in the Philippines (UCCP) 6 (100%) 83.1 % 16.9 %
Wicca 1 (100%) 100.0 % -
Zionist 290 (100%) 52.7 % 47.3 %
Zoroastrian 9 (100%) 100.0 % -
Total 168057 (100%) 53.0 % 47.0 %

From that link:
“(Warning: there are only 21 Muslims in the sample).”
Okay, so their sample is only 21 people, which is meaningless. And the cite claims 46.2% of Muslims say terrorism is sometimes acceptable - a ludicrous and irresponsible thing to say when your sample’s only 21 people. But there isn’t any whole number that is 46.2% of 21. So these people are not good with numbers.
From the latest World Values Survey:
Using violence for political goals not justified
Religious denomination / Total / Strongly agree / Agree / Disagree / Strongly disagree
Aglipayan 11 (100%) - 36.4 % 45.5 % 18.2 %
Armenian Apostolic Church 1565 (100%) 39.8 % 38.5 % 17.6 % 4.1 %
Assembly of God 1 (100%) - 100.0 % - -
Baptist 16 (100%) 43.8 % 31.2 % 12.5 % 12.5 %
Born again 20 (100%) 45.0 % 25.0 % 30.0 % -
Buddhist 600 (100%) 43.1 % 40.0 % 12.8 % 4.1 %
C & S Celestial 56 (100%) 40.2 % 30.8 % 12.8 % 16.2 %
Catholic: doesn´t follow rules 313 (100%) 30.0 % 42.2 % 21.4 % 6.4 %
Christian 3 (100%) 100.0 % - - -
Church of Christ 1 (100%) - 100.0 % - -
Essid 4 (100%) - 75.0 % 25.0 % -
Evangelical 712 (100%) 38.5 % 30.9 % 18.9 % 11.7 %
Filipinista 5 (100%) 60.0 % 20.0 % 20.0 % -
Free church/Non denominational church 40 (100%) 97.5 % 2.5 % - -
Greek Catholic 23 (100%) 34.8 % 34.8 % 8.7 % 21.7 %
Gregorian 44 (100%) 40.9 % 45.3 % 9.2 % 4.6 %
Hindu 1522 (100%) 63.8 % 18.3 % 12.6 % 5.3 %
Hussite 8 (100%) 25.0 % 25.0 % 25.0 % 25.0 %
Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) 32 (100%) 21.9 % 40.6 % 34.4 % 3.1 %
Independent Church 42 (100%) 83.3 % 4.8 % 7.1 % 4.8 %
Israelita Nuevo Pacto Universal (FREPAP) 7 (100%) 28.6 % 14.3 % - 57.1 %
Jain 36 (100%) 77.8 % 22.2 % - -
Jehovah witnesses 95 (100%) 35.8 % 20.0 % 22.1 % 22.1 %
Jesus is Lord (JIL) 4 (100%) 25.0 % - 75.0 % -
Jew 183 (100%) 55.7 % 23.2 % 17.9 % 3.2 %
Methodists 2 (100%) 100.0 % - - -
Mita 4 (100%) 25.0 % 50.0 % 25.0 % -
Muslim 6586 (100%) 57.7 % 29.8 % 7.4 % 5.2 %
New Testament Christ/Biblist 3 (100%) - 100.0 % - -
Orthodox 7789 (100%) 45.5 % 32.5 % 14.3 % 7.7 %
Other 829 (100%) 53.9 % 25.7 % 10.8 % 9.6 %
Other: Brasil: Espirit,candomblé,umbanda,esoterism,occultism 162 (100%) 80.9 % 8.0 % 4.3 % 6.8 %
Other: Christian com 6 (100%) 50.0 % 33.3 % 16.7 % -
Other: Oriental´ 2 (100%) 50.0 % - - 50.0 %
Other: Philippines (less 0.5%) 20 (100%) 20.0 % 45.0 % 30.0 % 5.0 %
Other: Taiwan (taoism, protestant fundam., ancient cults) 322 (100%) 23.0 % 50.0 % 21.7 % 5.3 %
Paganism 2 (100%) - 100.0 % - -
Pentecostal 514 (100%) 47.6 % 23.4 % 16.5 % 12.4 %
Protestant 7912 (100%) 62.3 % 22.4 % 8.0 % 7.3 %
Roman Catholic 21005 (100%) 49.7 % 26.5 % 13.1 % 10.7 %
Seven Day Adventist 23 (100%) 26.1 % 34.8 % 17.4 % 21.7 %
Spiritista 2 (100%) 50.0 % 50.0 % - -
Tac 68 (100%) 36.7 % 36.5 % 20.8 % 6.0 %
The Church of Sweden 845 (100%) 83.0 % 5.3 % 2.2 % 9.5 %
United Church of Christ in the Philippines (UCCP) 5 (100%) - 80.0 % 20.0 % -
Zionist 256 (100%) 51.8 % 26.2 % 9.7 % 12.3 %
Total 51700 (100%) 52.3 % 27.3 % 11.9 % 8.5 %
Wow, that’s a pretty good information source for exactly what I was looking for, Surreal. Thanks for that!
On the violence issue, it appears Muslims as a whole come out as less tolerant of Violence than Orthodox Christians and Roman Catholics–and just about exactly as tolerant as the population as a whole. That’s very useful information.
(Negatives like “not” and “don’t” in survey questions where the respndant is asked to “agree” or “disagree” make me nervous–but I figure the potential for misunderstanding is smoothed over in the statistical aggregation.)