That’s a fair summary, although I’ve never picked the smarmy thing up from Khan that many others have. I think the WEP is a fair-ish shout for a “First Do No Harm/Plague On All Your Houses” vote. But I’m going to vote Kahn because I couldn’t bear it if the lesson the Tories take from the Goldsmith campaign was “we just weren’t racist enough”. I want Goldsmith electorally smashed.
Your statement is grossly ignorant of the situation. There more “Palestinians” living in “Palestine” now than there were when Israel was founded. I’d recommend reading up on the situation before making such foolish statements.
That said, thank you for making it clear that you think it is not “inherently antisemitic” to call for the ethnic cleansing of roughly six million Jews.
Also, before you get upset, no I don’t think you’re an anti-Semite or dumb.
You just made a dumb statement that was grossly ignorant of the situation, insulted both the Palestinians and the Israelis and showed little understanding of the history of the region or the history of anti-Semitism.
Well, this is about MP who did in fact call for an ethnic cleansing of Jews and also during polls on Facebook would call on her followers with cries of “the Jews are rallying”.
Nor have I and I know him!
Sure what about Gerry Adams dropping n-bombs on Twitter?
I am well-aware of the situation anc I’m not really sure of the point of your post other than to be insulting.
Of course there are more Palestinians in Palestine now, it’s called population increase. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make as the majority of those are displaced or descendants of displaced people - either those displaced from the borders of Israel to the West Bank and Gaza, those who were internally displaced within the borders of Israel or those who have been subsequently displaced.
I’ve stated why I didn’t think the statements were inherently antisemitic, even if they were a folly previously, I see no need to do so again.
If those are the worst bombs he’s dropping it’s still an improvement over past behaviour…
Sorry, but I just had to…
because population increase is antithetical to “ethnic cleansing,” as Serbia showed us, and its antithetical to genocide, as The Holocaust (it will forever be capitalized) showed us.
Honestly, Muslim populations and communities need to get over “Palestine.” Muslim majorities exist in dozens of other countries, as do Muslim holy sites. Boo effin hoo if someone else has Jerusalem. They have Mecca, Medina, Qom, etc.
I wasn’t insulting you. I merely said your statement was grossly ignorant of the history of the situation.
As to your bottom statement, yes I’m aware you see nothing “inherently anti-Semitic” in calling for the ethnic cleansing of six million Jews.
Again, I find that claim moronic think the reasons why that claim is stupid are self-evident and see no reason to explain why. However, saying you made a dumb statement that’s ignorant of the history of anti-Semitism is not the same as calling you an anti-Semite or stupid, so you shouldn’t be defensive about it.
It should be noted Ms. Shah’s statements about her FB post weren’t nearly as idiotic. She apologized without reservation and in my opinion should be forgiven. Livingston of course is a different story with a much longer history of making extreme statements about Jews.
Well, that’s media coverage for you. I will defer to your greater knowledge, although it’s all moot now because I’ve already voted. Mr Khan got my second place vote as a sop against Goldsmith; I went with Caroline Pidgeon as a first choice given my views on the other alternatives, and threw a bone to the Greens on the General Assembly.
Hey DerekMichaels00 - we’re relocating you and everyone else in your city to Serbia and giving all your stuff to the Native Americans. I’m sure you’ll get over it quickly as there are white Christian majorities in lots of other countries. Boo fucking hoo indeed.
The conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians is a conflict over national identity not religion. You’ll notice quite a few Palestinian Christians who have no problem with chanting “Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs!”
Labour needs a new Aneurin Bevan.
“Palestine” IS an Islamic cause; if the dome of the rock weren’t there, would they care? The Palestinians’ first leader was a Mufti, and when the UN was debating, the head of the Egyptian delegation to the United Nations General Assembly, Muhammad Hussein Heykal Pasha, said, “the lives of 1,000,000 Jews in Moslem countries would be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state.” Not in Arab countries exclusively, but Moslem . Also, why is sentiment so far and detached from I/P in places like Southeastrn Asia so uniform? Like Bangladesh and Pakistan lack Israel relations?
And you can see on Memri.org that their countries have anti-Semitic conspiracy propaganda on their mainstream media/society.
The only reason non-Muslim Palestinian Arabs go along with it is the same reason Cruz got booed at IDC: even non-Muslims are so steeped in Islamist ideas that flood those societies that they take after them. That was something they also did as dhimmis in the Caliphates.
Strictly American here, and clearly not so much in touch with the British political situation, but I had no idea Adams (or the IRA) was even relevant anymore.
When my mother, who lives in England, came to visit last year, she was commenting at one point about the state of political discourse. “It’s so much better here in Australia!”, she said.
Ever since then I’ve been pretty much assuming British politics must be about two steps from the abyss. Maybe just one…
It’s mildly comforting that the American shitshow isn’t the only one, anyway.
(If I was Corbyn, I’d try to stay out of the anti-Semitic thing too. There’s nothing to be gained by getting involved. It certainly wouldn’t make him look anymore statesmanlike.)
there is never a moral equivalence between trying to save your own (what the Jews sought to do) and disrupt the boycott, versus those like the Germans simply doing things out of convenience, and them knowing where it led.
I imagine this is tongue-in-cheek, and you understand what he meant. He’s hardly the first Irishman to make the comparison.
Gerry Adams is in the Republic parliament now. He’s still the leader of Sinn Féin, which is represented in the assemblies, and throughout local government, on both sides of the border in Ireland, and in the Northern Ireland Executive; also, at Westminster (by empty seats), and in the European Parliament. So, not so much in the news here, with the peace holding, but certainly a relevant political figure in Ireland.
In Scotland the SNP will now have to govern as a minority government - which isn’t all that unexpected really. Much less expected is that the Tories are now the largest opposition party! What is happening, I don’t even…
Seems a decent spread bet
Fwiw, I don’t believe Khan has side to him, he’ll be politically expedient but he doesn’t personalise or smear people. He is a decent type imo.