The Star Trek Beyond, "I've seen it" thread with open spoilers after the first post.

Yeah, the question is whether Nero merely went back in time in the Prime universe and changed history or he also traveled to a similar, but alternate universe.

I’d think if he screwed things up with time travel, future temporal agents or even the Enterprise crew would go back and fix things.

If it’s an alternate universe, maybe there is no time messiness to go back and fix.

Maybe, but the overall celebratory tone of the scene annoyed me, considering they just lost the ship and ~75% of the crew.

Damn it Jim, what the hell is the matter with you? Other people have funerals, why are you treating theirs like a birthday?

Well, remember that the party wasn’t Jim Kirk’s idea; it was a surprise birthday party thrown for him.

Enterprise gets destroyed again, but conveniently there’s a working spare starship right there on the hostile planet in the middle of nowhere.

I mean come on.

It’s not as if it’s just there for the hell of it. That crashed starship is where the movie’s villain comes from.

More amazing is that on an entire planet, all the Enterprise’s escape pods managed to land within a few miles of it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Overall, I enjoyed the movie quite a bit. And yeah, there were some plot holes and poorly explained bits.

Aside from the Unity vs Conquest theme, there was also a theme of mortality. Kirk is getting older, of course, but most importantly he’s getting older than his father ever had the chance to. Somewhere in the back of Kirk’s head he has to know the clock is ticking down.

Similarly, Spock learns that his Prime Universe counterpart passed away, and is trying to decide if he should spend his life with Starfleet and his friends, or dedicating his time to helping the Vulcan people.

With Krall, it’s strongly implied that he and his officers fed on their own crew to extend their lives.

I thought the whole tunnel chase and fight inside of Yorktown could have been handled in a much less goofy fashion. The fact that nobody was flying up to help Kirk (or trying to beam Krall away) was especially weird given that we had seen shuttlecraft already flying around trying to get a handle on things in the same scene.

On that note, the police shuttlecraft were a lot funnier than they were probably meant to be, but it does bring to mind other potential variations on the shuttlecraft design. Red firefighting shuttles equipped with fire suppression equipment? Medevac shuttles with red crosses? A Caterpillar-yellow flying crane shuttlecraft? Maybe they could put phasers on some of them in case bad guys attack in a bunch of small fast ships? Just a thought.

I rather liked that Kirk didn’t have a love interest in this film. It was a nice change for this version of Kirk for him to stop being a horndog and start being The Captain. Granted, being The Captain, there’s nobody on the ship he could get into any kind of appropriate relationship with, which does make me idly wonder where Carol Marcus ran off to since the last movie.

They sure make them ships tough, don’t they?

They don’t make 'em like they used to.

Yeah, potential Vice-Admiral Kirk can’t just keep reliving his glory days at the Academy even if they were just six years ago. It’s time for him to start taking it easy, kick back, space exploration is a young man’s game.

I think he’s way too young to be taking a vice admiral desk job. He’s three years into his five year mission.

There’s another movie in the works. I wonder what they’re planning after that?

Mirror-Universe Chris Pine, aided by goateed Zachary Quinto and scarred John Cho?

Didn’t they say they were working on a star ship at that facility earlier in the movie? Easy enough to rename it. I might be misremembering that but either way that would be the way to hand wave it away.

He’s referring to the ship that was left on the planet that they had to fix, not the Enterprise A at the end of the movie.

Just got back and right now I’m firmly in the ‘meh’ camp. Not a well thought-out villain, IMHO, too many ‘tight’ camera" shots that don’t really show what is happening, too much illogic (building a outpost with ‘millions’ of people in space when you have an apparently perfectly good planet below? What galaxy would that make economic sense in? And you’re in space, under red alert, which means you might be holed and exposed to vacuum…and nobody has any sort of spacesuit?)

I’ll grant that the main characters did well, especially McCoy, but it’s a movie that I’ve seen now (to keep up my starfleet credentials of seeing every film at least once), but I have no particualr wish to see it again.

Camera spin is the new lens flare.

Oops. Well that has an explanation too. The planet was littered with vessels. The thugs who attacked Scotty were the former crew of one of them.

And Idris Elba is the new Ron Perlman!

Am I the only one that thought they kinda fucked Jaylah over? ‘Oh, your house, the ship you got 90% operational yourself and I agreed to help you finish so you could go home? Well, it used to be ours, like a hundred years ago, so we’re just going to take it and since you pretty much saved all out lives, we’re going to impress you into service on a suicide mission, sucks to be you.’ Granted there was a lot at stake, but they didn’t even acknowledge what they were doing. Where were your evolved sensibilities then?

They were going to take it anyway (most likely), but Jaylah has a line where she tells them to make her house fly and get Kraal. Remember that he killed her family, so revenge is on the table.

Moving on to important things, shouldn’t the new Enterprise be designated ‘B’ instead of ‘A’?

To be fair, McCoy immediately points out the problems with the Mobile Suit Gundam colony, and Spock explains the political reasoning for the decision (putting the base on an existing settled planet would risk indicating favoritism in the still young-ish Federation).

Regarding the space suits, at least they have seat belts in these movies. Maybe they’ll get space suits in time for the 2030 production Star Trek For More Money. At least on Yorktown they made a point of telling everyone to get to shelters, so I’m guessing those are hardened and self-contained in case the station’s pressure hull is compromised.

The numbering in the original series went 1701, 1701-A, 1701-B, etc. It’s a bit silly and evidently done only for the Enterprise, but whatever.