Certainly not by someone who claims that “Jesus is alive, and speaks directly to those who worship Him.”
Nurse!
Something about that insult just made me laugh until I puked. Perhaps I should not have eaten six pop-tarts for breakfast this morning.
That’s understandable. I wish people would stop saying Christianity when they mean some branches of Christianity.
mswas, I believe in a sort of artificial separation of religion and science for now. Scientists don’t normally demand “proof” of God’s existence. They understand the difference between proof and evidence and don’t expect non-scientists to be able to produce the impossible.
It’s the scientists-junior-grade that ask for proof of God – also usually knowing that it can’t be given, but hoping one might try. It makes for good butt-kicking.
Religious people need to use their own facilities for teaching their own beliefs. Our parents are our most influential teachers in our lives. And churches, youth groups, and Sunday Schools can have a strong focused influence. They don’t need to take over science classrooms.
My own personal belief is that science will discover some of the truths that have been the basis for religious belief and that there will be more unity between the two. (Creationism will not be one of those truths.) That’s a long way off. Most branches of Christianity aren’t ready for that yet. Some other religions are. The best scientists are open-minded skeptics. The closed-minded aren’t prepared.
Well I wish people would stop saying some branches of Christianity when they mean killjoy fuckheads would use any flimsy justification to exercise power over others as a means of making their dicks hard because nothing spells impotence faster than knowing other people don’t give a fuck what you think; religion simply being the most convenient means to this end.
But Bryan, what about the ones with ovaries?
Most of them still have dicks; they’re just on other people’s bodies. (And they still want them hard)
Og smite stupids!
Og smite this thread!
At least he said please.
When I speak about religions I mean all religions, not just those of a Christian persuation. All religions make the error of assuming certain truths without any empirical evidence.
drgnrdr07: All religions make the error of assuming certain truths without any empirical evidence.
Why is that necessarily an “error”? Sure, it’s an error from the scientific standpoint, but that’s not the only possible standpoint.
Scientists and science advocates shouldn’t assume that scientific reasoning is the only valid way to look at the world or the only source of truth. It may be so, but they can’t prove it, and they shouldn’t assert it as though it were fact.
Similarly, religion advocates shouldn’t complain about science being non-religious or “denying” religious beliefs. Religion and science should stop trying to push their own epistemological assumptions on each other.
Certainly not indeed. But then, I actually know what “valid” means.
Scientologists have faith. Lots and lots of faith. Does that lead to them having a valid argument?
Faith is not nor ever will be a valid argument for anything appart from the existance of faith.
Aeschines pours a 40 oz. Colt-45 on this thread: “This one’s for my stupid, soul-eaten homies…”
Good for you. Want a cookie before we move on to “pretentious blowhard”?
Oh, who really gives a damn about “the meaning of is”?
The whole thing boils down to some people being pissed off that intelligent design, 6000 year earth, and other things of no scientific value are not taught or misrepresented as science in the DECENT schools.
I too wish that no one disagreed with me. I wish people would listen to me about how to practice their religion. I wish they would not incorporate their beliefs into their voting patterns. I’m mad enough about it to wish deep in my heart that these people could not vote. I’m certainly mad enough to call them bad names and hope that will discredit them. I’m mad enough to pick on the worst examples I can find and pretend that they represent everyone.
Stop reading my mind!
I could go on for half an hour on that subject.
Creationism does not belong in science or in a science class. Intelligent design does not belong in science or in a science class. Six thousnad year old (young) earth does not belong in science or in science class.
I don’t care how people practice their religion. I do care when they try to push it on the rest of the country, and try to make it law. I picked the worst examples I coud think of, on purpose. They are the ones making the most noise,