Fireman tried to organize an army of Nazis with 60 firearms, atleast that’s what they want you to believe. This article is fucking disgusting on so many levels.
Yeah, maybe, you fucking putz. No firefighter that I know of is going to collect vintage weapons to use them in a heist or a land invasion. It just isn’t done! Is it not obvious that he is a fan of firearms and german memorabilia from the WWII era? I mean, if you cannot make that distinction, you’re not fit for humanity and you should be ejected into space.
This part I may be ignorant of… Do you really need a federal license for a machine gun (brand new, pretty sure you do). What about grandfather clauses and such? What if he purchased them before such laws? And since when did you have to register weapons in Illinois? I see three jurisdiction issues; The state of Illinois, Chicago, and the federal government. I’m not in Cook County directly, so I’m not sure how this works. In the picture they had in the paper, they showed a lot of regular rifles, and no auto’s. I didn’t think you had to register non-auto rifles, but they took them anyway. Pretty sure these are going to end up in some Chicago sergeants gun safe someday. Or get split between many Chicago cops and Daley himself.
Such conduct? Fuck you Raymond Orozco, you naive scumbag.
The Suntimes then goes on to give his location of work, and basically makes him look like a big asshole throughout the article, except for the sole neighbor defense. They make sure to let you know that he works near a Jewish community too. This type of journalism is fucking sick.
All privately-owned machined guns must be registered. There is a transfer tax for each firearm (and/or silencer) of $200. You have to have a background investigation. I haven’t looked into it, but I’ve heard the BI can take six months – about the same as some security clearances.
What exactly is the problem here? Why should he not be charged with these crimes if he did, in fact, commit them? Should he get special treatment for being a fire fighter or something. I don’t understand what the OP is complaining about
I’ll happily agree that The System is fucked, but I don’t see that this thread has much to do with it. Sounds like The System worked just fine here. Somebody got busted with unregistered firearms, and they are now paying the penalty. Whoopsies eh?
Now, if you want to talk about systemic poverty and the inherent nature of capitalism and the supposed ‘trickle-down’ effect, then you might have one of those The System Sucks arguments.
I’ll give the OP points for being annoyed by the scare tactics of the article, but the guy did have scores of unlicensed guns. Whatever his views on social darwinism may be, he still broke the law. And he can’t claim ignorance, since he had similar charges brought against him before.
The fact that he had bullets loaded in his magazines disabuses the belief tha he was a “collector”. A true WW2 weapons collector would never keep his vintage mags loaded - it ruins the springs.
Yeah, there was a bunch of crap in the article. He had* loaded magazines*? Oh, the horror.
They found reciepts for 100 guns going back 15 years? WTH does that mean? Is a person not allowed to sell their guns in Illinios? Wait - “misdemeanor charges of having 63 other unregistered pistols, rifles and shotguns” Required registration? Mmmhmm… I think we know who the real Nazi’s are.
Honestly, I’m pretty sure a person would face serious charges just for owning a single part that allows automatic fire. This twit had two full weapons? Dumbass.
That Thompson, if it was in decent shape, could have been worth $15,000+ (cite the Sten maybe only $5000 ). I bet the BATFE is going to destroy it and that’s one less vintage WWII arm that’s available to collectors. Asswipe.
For the record, the article doesn’t say or imply that this guy was trying to “organize an army” or organize anything at all. It says he got busted for a bunch of unregistered firearms and that he also had a bunch of Nazi paraphernalia in his house. That’s all factual. If the facts make him look like an asshole, then that’s his problem. The paper was just doing its job.
Yes. You need a permit for machine guns, since 1934. I don’t even know how you would get a Chicago Typewriter without that permit. Not exactly something you buy out the trunk of a car.
This rant gets a 1, at best. There is no suggestion on the linked story that he was trying to organize any army for any reason. There WAS a suggestion that he was a heavily armed Nazi wacko who worked in a Jewish community. I will grant that he may not be a Nazi or a wacko, but I would absolutely call the cops and ask them to check him out, if I learned my neighbor had a basement full of weapons and Hitler posters. And if they find all his weapons are illegal and bust him and melt them, yippee! I win!
Incidentally, the importation and domestic manufacture of automatic weapons for consumer purchase ended in 1986 so really there is no such thing as a legally owned “new” machine gun. There are loopholes and weird exceptions, such as private ownership of such weapons as a GLOCK 18 (which is quite clearly a gun built after 1986) along with many others, but put them out of your head, consider them to be strange anomalies, completely out of the norm. Just remember that if someone tries to sell you a “new” Class III automatic weapon, walk away. It is almost definitely illegal. The only legal ones were fully manufactured prior to 1986 or are constructed from a receiver manufactured prior to that date (one of the gambits of gun companies is to import massive numbers of essential parts immediately prior to a ban on those parts- they did this with high capacity magazines in 1994).
First off, owning Nazi memorbilia does not make one a Nazi. I agree that crimes may have been committed. I guess I’m more annoyed by the scare tatics and defamation of this guy unrelated to whatever crimes may have been committed. And the published comments made by the Fire Commissioner, this is a serious case of chicken littles if I’ve ever seen one.
By using scare tactics and instilling fear into the public with propaganda?
Your right. But what is the concern of any individual collector massing more then 60 guns? Why would this be seen as wrong?
Maybe not, but it certainly raises alarms.
Now if he had Nazi memorabilia and allied memorabilia I wouldn’t think much of it, except that the guy had a fascination with WWII.
But since he only has Nazi memorabilia I am going to go out on a limb and call this guy a fucking Nazi-fan.
