“Ditka [alone] vs. the Giants? OK. score, gentlemen?”
“After the heart attack, I gotta say Ditka 17, Giants 14.”
Right. The pre-Reid Chiefs were 2-14 in 2012. He turned it around, going 11-5, 9-7, 11-5, and 12-4; all without Mahomes. Adding Mahomes made a very good team great, but he wasn’t the only reason it happened.
Perhaps, but we don’t and have never had any offensive mind like him, so your statement is not germane to my point.
In The Game™? Yes we are.
But do yourself a favor and look up Bill Belechik’s head coaching record WITH and WITHOUT Brady! Spoiler alert: He was WAY BETTER WITH BRADY! I believe he had a LOSING RECORD WITHOUT HIM!
82-98
- According to 2 sources
Belichick has a record of just 82-98 without Brady as his quarterback after the 2023 NFL season. Insane. And Belichick is considered BEST COACH EVER by MANY
His overall record is 333–178 so, when he had the thoroughbred he needed at QB, he produced big time.
What great coach is great without a high tier quarterback, though?
It’s not that Belichick’s quarterbacks have been “not Tom Brady.” They’ve legitimately been not good. What coach has a better winning record than Belichick with quarterbacks who are bad?
It cuts both ways, you know.
- Brady’s winning percentage with Belichick: 77.3%
- Brady’s winning percentage without Belichick: 64.0%
64% is still virtually 2 of every 3 games, which is double digit win seasons.
Oh come on. How about comparing season totals:
Belichick as HC:
Total with Brady - 17 winning, 1 losing, 17 playoffs & 6 SB victories.
Without Brady (Browns, 00,07,20-23 Pats) - 3 winning, 8 losing, 2 playoff appearances.
Brady:
With Belichick - 17 winning, 1 losing, 17 playoffs & 6 SB victories
Without Belichick - 2 winning, 1 losing, 3 playoffs, 1 SB victory.
Yeah, each was better with the other, but Brady was MUCH better solo than Belichick.
Granted, but Brady is clearly the GOAT, so he is an exception to many things.
I don’t want to split hairs on this subject. I just feel that the QB gets too much praise and/or too much blame in many cases, and that has a lot to do with me being a Bears’ fan. When the Bears got Jay Cutler from Denver, no less a legend than John Elway said he thought it was the best trade the Bears ever made. So, what did the Bears do? They gave him five OCs in five years and had a crap offensive line for virtually the same amount of time. What did many if not most of the fans do? They dumped on Cutler mercilessly.
That only losing season (2000) Brady was rookie that played in one game, with 3 passing attempts. Bledsoe started all 16 games. I think you can count that as a season without Brady.
Joe Gibbs.
Theismann was a name, but not necessarily a star. He was basically a .500 QB until 1982.
Mark Rypien was a nobody.
Doug Williams was a nobody.
Washington’s other main QB’s during that era were Jay Schroeder and Stan Humhpries. Schroeder had started most of the games during Doug Williams’ SB year, and Humphries did most of his damage with the Chargers.
Actually I had the 2000 season already counted as a losing season without Brady. I messed up my table, I wrote down 7-9 for the 2002 season, but it was actually 9-7.
So with Brady, 18 winning, 0 losing, 17 playoffs (2002 the only year they missed), 6 SB victories.
Yes, and when Brady missed the playoffs, the Patriots were 11-5. Only one other team ever missed the playoffs at 11-5, and that was Denver when they lost the tie breaker to the Jets and New England in 1985.
No, they missed the playoffs with Brady in 2002 when they went 9-7.
They missed the playoffs in 2008 at 11-5, but that was with Matt Cassell - Brady tore his ACL in week 1.
Ah, okay. Poor Matt. His great fill in performance went for naught.
A great QB can make a mediocre O-line look good in a regular season, but every coach would rather have a great O-line and a mediocre QB come play offs.
It’s not even a secret, look at the comparable deals they get. Just a few minutes drafting a team on Madden will tell you if you are in the NFL and want to get paid be a big dude on the line, either offense or defense.
Yeah good call. I think Gibbs probably sits alone atop that mountain.
Was Terry Bradshaw good among his peers? Maybe Chuck Knoll or Tom Coughlin get mentioned in the conversation but Gibbs is next level.