The computer that the T-1000 checks for information (in the police car), says John Connor is 10. Also, I believe T2 takes place in 1993 or 1994, not 1991.
OK - I’m probably not going to see it, or if I do on DVD later I won’t care, so can someone spoil the cameo for me?
The psychiatrist from the original and part two makes an appearance. He talks about how a traumatic experience can mess up a person’s sense of reality and stuff. It was actually pretty funny.
Another question:
The TX is going around killing John Connor’s lieutenants in LA. But LA is going to be blown away in a few hours later. So why bother killing them if they are in LA?
[spoiler]One can only suppose that somehow they survive the initial strike which is why they are around later to be lieutenants.
Terminatrix was successful in killing a few of them so one can only wonder what, if any, effect that will have on the future course of the war.[/spoiler]
In regard to my other question:
TX is the source of the virus. By why does she start the virus so soon? You think she would give herself more time to kill the lieutenants.
Of course I should probably just say:
lt’s only a movie. lt’s only a movie. lt’s only a movie.
One thing I realized after seeing T3: Terminators don’t destroy objects in their way, they simply ignore them. In both T2 and T3, the evil Terminators get behind the wheel of the biggest vehicles they can find and pursue the hero while driving in a perfectly straight path, plowing through traffic like a knife through butter. As far as they’re concerned, anything that’s not related to their mission doesn’t exist, which, to a machine, makes perfect sense.
Wow.
I was severly not disappointed. (Though I was proven wrong.) I went in expecting it to suck, completely contradict or revise the “future history” established in the first two flicks, or completely screw up the causal loop (someone in another recent thread termed it a bootstrap paradox) of how this all comes to be.
If you ignore a few errors, with suspension of disbelief, it ain’t at all a bad movie.
Let’s see here, now.
That bugged me fer a bit, m’self. Then I realized, barring destruction by a retaliatory strike (which, being hooked into everything now, not just the US missile control, becomes possible) it is safe. The base where Skynet is developed also, presumably, has the capabilities to manufacture the first stage Terminators (ED-209ators, if you will) and the little bitty HK. It can make something with hands when it has time, after all the humans are dead. Since it can’t wipe out the troops and support techs there by nuke, it guns 'em all down with the stage 1 terminators. But that base doesn’t get nuked, and the computers are (again, presumably) double hardened against EMP interference.
Ya buy any o’ that? 
As to your second spoiler post… It’s just a show, really just relax, and alla that, I suppose. But I can’t rationalize it, either. I’m wondering if something from the cutting room floor didn’t make that a bit more plausible. That was one of my two real problems with the flick.
From what I gathered, the “virus” was spread by Skynet itself, not the T-X. I’ll have to pay more attention on subsequent viewings, but that was my impression.
And since I’m on such a black box jag here, one thing:
I’m pretty sure that I read that the deal that got T3 made was a package deal, for two movies. And Arnie, as of the last time I saw anything about it, was only contracted for the first flick, T3, but not, or at least not yet for T4. The film was made with another installment in mind, not as a possibility, but as a done deal.
At least, as far as I know.
Ach.
I meant to add this:
One fairly minor change (in the scheme of things, anyway) that I would have made, given any input in the matter.
[spoiler]The particle accelerator should have destroyed the T-X, not just trapped it for a bit. I don’t know that a real PA would actually emit a magnetic field as it did in the movie, but, the movie’s version should have eaten her CPU like a refrigerator magnet on an eight inch floppy. Which would have left the reprogrammed T-101 to hunt the humans down, only to be destroyed like the first one (which is nearly how the end of the film unfolded, anyway).
Arnie was a better Terminator when he was the bad guy, thinks I.[/spoiler]
And I have to say, I saw the end of the film coming a mile away, espescially when
Arnie jumped over the dying father’s last words, to make sure the two important people would go to the bomb shelter, no matter what
But it didn’t hurt the film, in my eyes.
But I watched it with the final spoiler from my first post above, in mind.
IOW,
I knew that there was gonna be a T4, long before I got to the theater to see part 3.
Because I’m right and you’re wrong.
Yeah, that would’ve been nice, but I don’t think he was actually “reprogrammed,” was he? Wasn’t her “power” the ability to control other machines remotely? I guess presumably through introduction of some virus-like code, making the reboot necessary to clear out his chips. He was reprogrammed in the future to be a good guy, and obviously that sticks around after reboots. So if she had “died” in the PA, I would think she would lose her powers of remote control. . .unless the code she introduces is self-sufficient–but I didn’t get the impression that it was.
Not quite:
[spoiler]We know the Skynet base (or at least where they turned the thing on) is unsafe because the terminator initially refuses to take John there and specifically mentions that the base won’t survive but John insists on going anyway.
As to letting Kate, John amd Terminator show-up in the Skynet base armed to the teeth and just letting it pass I can’t. I found that particular scene jarring. Terminatrix is wandering the base corrupting the proto-terminators…I can buy that…her getting in wouldn’t be a problem. Then we see Kate’s dad start Skynet, then terminatrix Kate shows then BAM…Arnie is shooting terminatrix with everything he’s got. He’s just ‘there’ all of a sudden. Suspension of disbelief is fine but when a movie shocks you out of your suspension it has failed in some fashion…at least for that set of scenes. [/spoiler]
Just out of curiosity, would someone explain to me what exactly the Terminatrix is? From what I can gather from the trailers, she seems to be a combination of an advanced T-800 endoskeleton covered in liquid metal. From the spoilers, I gather she can control other robots by remote. Is this pretty much it, or is there more to her design?
[spoiler]Guess I do need a second viewing. I didn’t catch that he said that base would be nuked, or wouldn’t survive the nuke-fest. OTOH, we know he’s capable of lying through his metal teeth to protect his charges, and ensure the success of his mission. I figure he didn’t want them there because the T-X would be there, regardless of where the nukes were gonna fall.
And I still can’t argue the second point. They shouldn’t have just been able to walk in the front door.[/spoiler]
El Elvis Rojo: You’ve basically got it in a nutshell. One caveat, though:
[spoiler]She also apparently has the circuitry/tiny mechanical parts onboard (her right arm only) to generate a series of offensive ranged weapons. Plasma gun, big honkin’ flamethrower type weapon, stuff like that. There’s a bit where her primary weapon is damaged, and we get a Termo-Vision shot of her running through options to reconfigure her arm. From the very brief look we get, it seems this stuff is included, and the stuff that makes the weapons work can’t be replicated by the liquid metal.
Oh yeah, her neatest special ability:
She speaks the ancient (from her perspective) Modem Handshake language, as well.[/spoiler]
troub: In retrospect, you’re right. I just thought my way would have matched the tone of the rest of the final reel better.
Especially that very last scene.
Was that some neat friggin’ visuals, or what?
Maybe Kyle was wrong. Skynet was defeated, but managed to pool its resources elsewhere. We only know for sure (from Reese’s memories) that John Connor’s resistance force won, it’s never specified that worldwide victory has been achieved. Seeing that it has lost a major region of the former USA, Skynet starts sending Terminators back as fast as it can design them to kill John Connor. Now the humans in LA have access to Terminators and can reprogram them, so they no longer have to go on one-way suicide missions to stop Skynet, but they don’t have access to the new Terminator designs.
Anything can be rationalized away in science fiction…well, almost anything.
My take on why they keep sending back old Terminators is that they are probably easier to incapacitate than liquid-metal-morphin’ T-1000s and T-Xs. Furthermore, reprogramming the T-100 is done by opening up the head casing and playing around with the chip inside, whereas it would probably require specialized equipment to hack a more advanced model.
For the next Terminator movie, they should send a Terminator back into the 1800s and try to kill John Connor’s great-great grandfater. And maybe they’ll run into Marty and Doc Brown while they’re at it.
That’s pretty much my take on it, as well, with one “suspension” added to it. (which has pretty much been followed by the filmakers, with T3)
Kyle and the original T-101 came back, and altered the timeline, with their mucking about. So now, in the year 2029 (or whatever it is) Skynet has foreknowledge of the present, and puts a rush on the time displacement R&D, getting it ready earlier than in the “original” timeline.
So now, it’s got time to send back 3, or 4, or 8 or 9 Terminators (of whichever model is closest to the machine when it comes online) scattered all over the timeline, instead of the one it tossed in originally.
So long as one of the things isn’t reduced to its constituent atoms, somebody someplace is gonna eventually recreate the research that gives birth to Skynet. That’s the bootstrap paradox discussed in the other thread: Skynet created itself by sending a Terminator back in time. The fact that John Connor exists means Skynet, and Judgement Day, have to, as well.
Do they explain why Sarah Conner isn’t there?
Also, how do they explain that the Terminators were still there, when they were destroyed in T2?
Yes they do. It turns out the TX is really Sarah Connor. She is the most advanced terminator. She can even give birth. The machines sent her back to create John Connor because he is really the one who creates Skynet. They then send her back with a different appearance to kill John.
OK, I am lying. She died on of cancer shortly after when the original Judgement Day was wupposed to be.