The Texas A&M bonfire burns my butt.

Lord, now we’re under an aggie infestation. Please, it’s just your school, you’re going to leave in 4-5 years (if your lucky). IT’S A FUCKING COLLEGE. Just like all the others. All colleges have something similar to the “aggie network”, all colleges have class rings, their’s nothing special about your school. Unlike A&M however, most colleges focus on how much you learn other than how loud you whoop or how many “Fish” you demoralized in one day.

And don’t give me this “from the outside looking in” and all the other propaganda, I’ve been there and you people have your head so far up in the clouds with spirit and tradition that you don’t realize that you’re going to a piss poor school. <–But that’s for another thread.

Wow.

I was prepared to take shit for that comment I made above. Instead, I get an allegiance to a school from someone lamenting the idea of school spirit.

Well, to quote you-

And by the way, no I’m not an aggie, turquoise, or any other mineral deposit, I’m simply observing the discussion so far.

This is about the most ignorant group of comments I have ever seen. From bullshit about drinking (IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT… PROVIDE A LINK FOR PROOF OR SHUT UP!) to Aggies being stupid (A&M in this years USNews report was ranked 48 in the nation, 13 best public university in the nation)http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc.htm
Those rankings are for the year 2002! What schools do yall go to? Only one school in the entire state of Texas was ranked higher then A&M for best universities in the nation and that was Rice. The University of Texas was tied with A&M for 48th place. Sheep fucking huh, that’s neato. Way to regurgitate a trailer park comment. As for our traditions, they must be something alot of people like since we have over 40,000 students at A&M every year and are one of the top 5 biggest universities in the nation!

ahem

–Arden
OK State

Arden,

Please accept my apology on behalf of txag04…

That should have been “Beat the hell outta OSU!”:wink: <she says, praying the game won’t be near as exciting as it was last year>

<insert raised eyebrow smilie here>
–Arden
Oklahoma State University.

[Actually, I don’t much follow the games. I’m doing good to know who we’re playing. :)]

As a rule, I typically do not post on or even read boards like this, but when I heard about some of the things that were being said on here I couldn’t stay away. And after reading some of the most unbelieveably offensive and unsensitive stuff I have ever heard, I felt I had to say something.
I find it difficult to believe that people who are so uninformed about Texas A&M culture and tradition feel that they are qualified to comment about Bonfire. Lieu: I have to ask; what in the world is your problem? Do you just hate Aggies with such a passion that you felt the need to attack us for no apparent reason? If so, why do you hate us? Has some Aggie caused you deep emotional or physical trauma? Or are you just jealous? Where do YOU go to school? I can understand your being jealous if you don’t have the same type of family-like bond to your school that we have to ours.
My issues with lieu aside, I have to say that I am appalled by some peoples’ lack of sensitivity toward a subject that is very painful for many people. Comments about “taking 12 drunken morons out of the gene pool” are completely unneccesary. I suspect that this and comments like it come from bitter people who have never felt the deep sense of pride and belonging that most Aggies experience. I feel sorry for those people, I really do. I wish everyone could know what it feels like to be a part of something that has survived the test of time like many of our long-standing traditions, Bonfire included.
I know that it may be completely naieve of me to think that I could ever get ya’ll to understand what Bonfire is really about, but I have to at least make an attempt. If I can enlighten even one person, then I think I’ve perhaps done something worthwhile to help the school that means so much to me.
My Bonfire experience: I’m Class of '04, so I was a Senior in high school when the '99 Bonfire collapsed. My family ties to A&M go back 4 generations though, so I’ve watched several Bonfires burn as a young child. All my life I looked forward to getting to work on Bonfire (even though my Dad always said that “Stack is no place for a young lady”). My best friend, who is a member of the Corps of Cadets, went to A&M the year before I did. I remember talking to him on the phone around 10pm on November 17th. He was on his way out to the site to work on stack through the night. He was so excited about the whole thing. He told me; “You would never believe how much fun this is. It sucks going to class all day and then working outside all night, I’m not getting any sleep, but these people, they’re like family. I love working with them and this Bonfire’s going to be awesome.” He was practically high on school spirit even though he hadn’t slept in days. I was so happy for him! The next morning I woke up and turned on the tv while I was getting dressed for school. The first image I saw was a collapsed stack surrounded by rescue crews and paramedics in the pre-dawn light. All I could do was pray that no one close to me was hurt and try to call my best friend to see if he was OK. It took all day to actually get to talk to him, he was in shock. He had actually been up on stack when one of his upperclassmen pulled him off around 1:30am for some random reason. A little over an hour later, he was standing about 100 feet away when stack collapsed. He and his friends were among the first to reach stack and start helping people, but he still saw two of his close friends die right in front of him. He has never been the same since that night. It took a long time for him to get over what he had seen. To this day he still has frequent dreams about that night. And so do I, I wasn’t there, I didn’t see anything horrible, but I still have nightmares about losing my best friend. Here’s the kicker though; ask him if he thinks we sould still have Bonfire. He’ll tell you yes in a heartbeat, and he plans to be the first one to volunteer to work on it. He admits that there were problems with construction and coordinating, and those problems all added up to create a tragic accident. But was upholding a tradition like Bonfire worth the risk? Yes, for him and many other people, it was. As for the question about what The 12 would have to say about it, I have always maintained the following position: they were on stack that night because they were REAL Aggies. 100%, maroon blood and all that. To be awake and outside in the cold at 2am you would have to be very dedicated to whatever you were working on, these people were not what we call here at A&M, 2%ers. I honestly believe that what they would want would be for us to either a) build Bonfire according to the old traditons, but in a safer manner. Or b) stop fighting about it even if that means not building it. See, Bonfire is about unity. It’s also about our burning desire to “Beat the hell outta t.u.”, but mostly it’s about the Aggie family coming together and supporting the Spirit of Aggieland. So I think that if we want to honor their memories we have to come together on whatever decision is made and continue to be a unified family like we have always been before.
If any of you really want to understand the Aggie spirit or what Bonfire is truly about, I would encourage you to come to our Bonfire rememberance ceremony. Last year, standing on the Polo Fields at 2:42am in the freezing rain with over 40,000 other people, was the first time I fully understood what this whole thing was about. Most of us out there had never met any of The 12 that we were honoring, but we were out there just the same, joining together to remember our family members. I was born an Aggie, but I never really “got it” until that night. If you really want to know why we are Aggies, why we feel so passionately about this, then come to the ceremony.
We have a saying about the Spirit of Aggieland: “From the outside looking in, you can’t understand it. From the inside looking out, you can’t explain it.” So maybe my attempt to make some of you understand this has been completely futile, but I had to try. I owe it to my school to express this. So go ahead, if you want to, feel free to ridicule my passion and call me a “wrangler-wearing uneducated redneck” or whatever, It doesn’t hurt me, because my family still loves me. I’m confident that the education I’m obtaining here is superior to many of yours, and perhaps I’ll be your boss someday. But that isn’t the point, I’m asking you to please stop making hurtful comments about the 12 people that we lost. Say what you want about our school, our population, our sexual preferences, and our traditions, but please remember that they have friends and family who follow everything that is said about Bonfire and some of your comments so far have been downright cruel. If you have any heart at all, if you’re not purely evil I believe that you will cease saying things that open up deep wounds that are only beginning to heal for some.
Thanks, and Gig 'em.


Jeremy Frampton - Class of 2000
Jamie Hand - Class of 2003
Christopher Heard - Class of 2003
Lucas Kimmel - Class of 2003
Bryan McClain - Class of 2003
Chad Powell - Class of 2002
Jerry Self - Class of 2002
Nathan West - Class of 2002
Miranda Adams - Class of 2002
Micheal Ebanks - Class of 2003
Christpher Breen - Class of 1996
Timothy Kerlee - Class of 2003


UT alum. A&M bonfire accident was a tragedy. I don’t think anyone should be criticized for doing something they believe in, even marginally dangerous ones with little literal meaning (IM very HO). It was obvious that it was something that they cared for and I suppose we should just all shut up about it because knowing a good many Aggies there is no way to conceive of what an Aggie is thinking if you didn’t go to A&M. I mean that in a good we-are-proud-and-unique kind of way, but also in a weird hive-mind kind of way. I went to UT, after all. In all fairness, some of the brightest people I have known went to A&M and their education has been first class, despite the illogical need to get their hair cut really short, not walk on grass, and spend $500 on a pair of boots.

Anyway, I won’t be complaining if they restart the bonfire. College football is one of the few relatively pure sports left, and it thrives on traditions. That, and I don’t feel threatened by the Aggies this year, in almost losing to freakin’ McNeese State and Wyoming. Next week, you play OSU? That’s three weeks in a row of playing teams named Cowboys. You can be sure that I am rooting hard because with any luck, A&M will be good this year and it will look all the better to the BCS when we kick the crap out of you on Thanksgiving Day. Like a turkey being fattened…

Anyway, I’d like to welcome all of you sheep fuckers to SDMB. Remember, no whooping, gigging, or sawing horns off of varsity allowed here. And sheep fucking is only marginally tolerated. Sheep analingus even less so. Only half joking, guys.

SpaceGhost:

Did you publish a link to this site on an Aggie bulletin board or something? Just curious, ya know…

Yes, edwino. I think somebody initially read this thread and posted something about it on TexAgs.com. I heard about this because one of my friends saw the post there, came here and read the thread, and mentioned it tonight. Then I…well, you know what I did then.
Oh, and I have to say that for a teasip, you sound pretty cool. It takes guts to admit that there’s at least something good about your rival school. But do me a favor, in the future, don’t make comments about the Boots, OK? :slight_smile: We happen to really like them in case you didn’t know. And we love that grass too, but not quite as much as the Boots :wink: Also, you’re deluding yourself if you’re thinking that ya’ll are going to get an easy victory at Kyle Field. I think you know better than that, there are rarely easy vicotries for opposing teams here. I mean, we sucked really bad last year, but look what we nearly did to OU. You guys just be careful, because The Crew AND the 12th Man are getting ready for Pretty Boy and his punk receivers.

Well, again, let me extend my welcome (even though this is the Pit). Feel free to look around. It is always useful to have some forward-thinking Texans around here, especially when people start comparing Texas with god-forsaken places like Alabama, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Feel free to contribute in the many General Questions threads on the lingerie preferences of sheep versus goats, correct ways to spit chaw without staining your muu-muu, and how to remove bezoars from your best dairy cows. Oh yeah, and the Great Debates topics on the relative merits of the John Deere versus all other tractors.

And with that, I will conclude with my favorite Aggie joke, ripped from somebody on this very message board, but I forget who:

Q: What does an Aggie girl say during sex?
A: Slow down a little, daddy, or you’ll crush my smokes.

I suppose I’ll stop now.

See? I’m not even calling that an oxymoron!

I am shocked–SHOCKED–to see how seriously you Aggies take some moronic and manufactured tradition. Traditions, even those that are artificial and stupid, should be used to draw people together, not endanger the lives of the participants or innocent bystanders. Seeing how high you can pile logs without the pile falling over AND THEN setting the pile on fire, destroying its structural integrity, is a stupid tradition.

I almost said that outside of Texas we are taught to use our brains for intelligent thought, not merely to fill our skulls so the Texas wind doesn’t make a whistling sound as it passes our ears. However, this isn’t entirely true or fair. There is a school here in Illinois at which the students regularly take over whole streets in town for a big drinking party. This party, as could be expected by any reasonable person, often gets out of hand with rioting, broken windows, and burned cars. This brings students together and has happened for years, so it must be a tradition, right? But is it a GOOD tradition? Should it continue?

The bonfire you hold so sacred (because, I fear, you were told it was sacred) has gotten totally out of hand. It has gone from a relatively harmless destruction of a few trees to a monstrosity which has killed a dozen of your friends. I am an engineer and would be loathe to hire any young engineer who had been involved in building such a dangerous thing. I would have to ask if he or she was committed to protecting the lives of my customers or willing to endanger them for the sake of Tradition or Art or any other artificial construct.

Good post but one small nitpick:
Texas A&M and art may not be used in the same sentence, paragraph, post, or any work for that matter. Aggies wouldn’t know fine arts if they had a dictionary in one hand and a paint brush in the other.

I’m not sure how much use this is though, for these Ags have been brainwashed starting since mommy and daddy taught them these lame-ass, banal, traditions and the horrid fight song before they knew their ABC’S–and for some reason they’re proud of this!?

Dude, I’m trying to be reasonable and maybe waylay this aggie invasion.

Good Lord! Have any of you people ever even MET an Aggie? Have you ever been to our campus? If it’s true that art is subjective, and I believe it is, then who is to say that what Aggies define as art isn’t art? Besides, this issue isn’t about the artistic or social superiority or inferiority of Texans/Aggies; it’s about the tragic loss of life that we sustained and having respect for that life.
While I’m here, let me just apologize for the fact that my parents taught me a “horrid fight song” before my ABC’s. Seriously, I really am sorry that I have a strong bond to my family that goes back four generations. I’m sorry that I can talk to my grandfather about my everyday activities since he paticipated in the exact same traditions as a student here that I do now. I’m really sorry that my children will have the same bond with me, my future husband, my parents, his parents, and even our grandparents (hoping they’ll be around still). I’m sorry that one day I might see a total stranger in a restaurant halfway around the world and have an instant bond with them because we have the same Ring on. And I’m sorry that Texas A&M has a long hitory of making great contributions to this country and this world. All that really sucks, so let me apologize on behalf of all Aggies for our obvious shortcomings because it’s obvious that these things are hurting SO MANY people.

TO THE GREAT IGNORANCE THAT ARE THOSE WHO THINK TEXANS ARE STUPID! WE HAVE THREE OF THE TOP 50 UNIVERSITIES IN THE NATION! ONE OF THOSE IS TEXAS A&M. WHat DEGREES DO YOU HAVE? WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? BUNCHA BAD BULL HERE…

I graduated from Texas A&M, so I’m a little slow on the uptake, but I think I have this figured out: cykrider doesn’t like A&M.

By the way, I’ve been a lurker and member here for a long time (my username used to be Ag80) and I thought I was the only Aggie here. Where did all you guys come from, anyway?

SpaceGhost invited them. Although, if what some of them are saying is true (gentle, but affectionate, chainjerking ahead) and they really are as intelligent as this graduate of a jerkwater, land-grant, state teachers college, they certainly are welcome. :wink: <–Newbie note: This is called a “winkie.” It means "Don’t take ol’ Mr Zone too seriously.

They are products of their brothers and cousins.
…and maybe a few sheep.